I want to run this hand by the players at 2+2 because I've been on a 10 buy-in downswing at $1/$2 NLHE Live and it's driving me mad.

Preflop

3 Players limp in, and I have KTs on the button. I raise to $10, the big and small blinds call and so do the limpers. Everyone is at least 100 BBs deep.

Flop is 456 Giving me the King High Flush.

Action checks to me on the button and I bet pot for $60. Small blind jams for about 90 BBs, Big Blind calls, and I jam for the remainder of my stack, about 120 BBs, Big Blind calls.

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Raise is too small -- and for once I don't care what the table norm is. I'm not sure I raise this over three limpers, anyway, even on the BTN. Would be nice to have a little info on other players (for the pre-flop raise and flop action). Will they raise with naked Ah? Will they chase?

I can't imagine you are ahead vs. two other players, but once you bet $60, you can't fold (unless SB is a nit who will only shove with the nuts).

Yep, reads would be nice.

Preflop raise is too small. Either limp behind or raise to $15-$20.

Not happy when small blind jams flop and big blind calls but without a super hard read that somebody has to have a nut flush or better I'm not folding. Too much chance your facing some combination of straight/set/lower flush and Ah draw.

Somebody with have A-Rag hearts often enough that it's only marginally profitable. Very much a situation where you lose more then win but because you will triple up when you win it's small +EV.

Pretty standard cooler. Expect to lose to AX pretty often as people limp/call suited aces all the time. Doesn't mean you should be folding, as there are worse hearts and AhXy in their ranges too.

I wouldn't POT the flop though, you're looking for action when you flop so well, not scare them away.

AP, easy GII though.

Reads on main Villains are;

Small Blind: Asian tournament regular who I've played with frequently, usually after he busts from the daily tournaments. He's a big fan of playing any 2 suited cards.

Big Blind: Short Stacker who has run his stack up to more than 100 BBs. I've played with him about twice a month for the past 2 years, and seen him stack off frequently with near 0% equity.

If you lose to one of them, it's basically a cooler, although SB concerns me a little. Still need to raise more pre or limp.

Personally pre flop im either raising larger to try and isolate. In 1-2 at least where I play raising to 10 just bloats a pot with a hand that is marginal. Even in position that isn't going to play great if you hit a king or a 10.

The way its played I may even check it through post flop. What scares you on the turn? If anything a good turn may give you more action. Otherwise I think if I bet its probably around 25. Pot is 40 correct? You are opening up a jam with your sizing and making the pot massive.

Once It is jammed and called I would think that at least one of them has the Ah and One of them a set or overpair. Just not great. With the 60 you already bet I think you are just going with it.

Tournament players tend to be terrible cash players, especially if they're the type of tourney player who is playing 1/2. I would expect him to have the nuts as well as the unsuited Ah. He's also jamming sets/2P/straights as our hand looks like a PP, probably even Pair+SD also

Short stackers also tend to be terrible players at 1/2

Not saying your ahead, but I'm not folding to these 2


Pre is too small, is be 16-20. Flop I wouldn't got PSB, probably 3/4, but you got action from 2 players and 1 of them is definitely behind, so I guess PSB is ok here

Bigger pre, smaller flop. I'm actually 50/50 on checking vs betting this flop, because we're really only scared of the board pairing with a 4 or a 5.

AP, you have to call, but if you lose to Ah, it's not really a cooler. I see at least 1 person run into the nut flush clueless every session, it's pretty common.

Mixing up bb and $$ doesn't make this easy to read

Sorry you lost to the nut flush but I'm never folding that


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As others have said, your PFR should be more as a semi bluff/to isolate, rather than a pot builder. My guess is you are doing this to try to make and win pots, to win back money from the downswing, since I've done that myself. In other words, you're tilting.

Even without these circumstances, I think a limp pre is preferable. You might get stacked anyway when you make the second nuts. That has little to do with it. 3 limpers is probably just too many to try to take control of the hand with something as weak as KT suited.

With 3 limpers I like your PFR if it was meant to be a pot sweetener. I would make it $6. Post flop anyway you play it, you can not escape your destiny.

Raise this hand preflop LSD. It plays well postflop and denies the blinds from coming in for cheap. Also, no need to bet the pot here since we have all the one pair and straight draw hands pretty dead.

$15-$20 pre.

$35 OTF.

Never folding; order drink and have re-buy ready.

It's a fold. Look at the Doug Polk video where he flopped set over set vs Jason Koon. Koon is able to get away on the river based on manipulating Doug by betting pot and having Doug still raise him. Your sizing on the flop should allow you to get away. You bet pot, and got raised on. That's an extremely polarized line. Since the average 1/2 player is never bluffing in that spot, it means he has the nuts. Fold to the raise imo.

^^^^You can't compare a super deep stacked nose bleed cash game to a 1/2 game with short (100 bb) effective stacks. Not to mention, half the players at a 1/2 game have no clue what they are doing.

I could probably find 5 examples that contradict this sentience in like 2 hours of play at most any 1/2 table

go bigger pre or dont go at all which I am sure has been mentioned. I think this spot is a variance threshold question at this stack depth and I dont think it comes up frequently enough to have an enormous effect on your overall winrate.

That being said at you are probably only good here 15-20% of the time at a standard 1-2 game and of those times we are good its going to be obvious due to reads/alcohol levels etc. at least half of the time.

Would you mind letting us know how you figured out the numbers ?

Maybe my percentage is a little high because 23 and 37 are the other made straights and aren't likely in SBs range but I see people go crazy with flopped straights on monotone boards in the games I play enough To know its still happening.

After that there's a few flush q and j hi flush combos that bb can have + I always account for 5% spaz factor at 1-2.

It's for sure a losing call long term but it's a really uncommon spot and we have an extremely strong hand 100bbs deep.

Heavily disagree with those suggesting to bet smaller on the flop, I'm potting this thing every time. If you make it something around half pot you're often giving direct odds for drawing with the ace of hearts. I would also pot it with hands like 45s/56s/sets which I would have raised pre as well. I would also pot it with the Ace of hearts and whatever other random face card I hold.

You're looking to build the pot very quickly with strong value hands. If you dick around you miss value from their stronger holdings (sets/straights) that they would never fold on the flop. Like what you gonna do, squeeze $35 out of them when they have a 6, despite the fact that they are likely fold a 6 anyway on that board?

You may argue that 1/2 players are terrible and so bet sizing for value/bluff doesn't matter, I disagree. I smash the regs at my room and sizing tells are the main reason why.

Literally every HH posted on this forum that's a massive cooler (which I'm sure this hand is) there's at least 1 guy calling it a fold. I'd love to play with these guys who fold quad aces if there's a royal possibility, or flop king high flushes and fold them.

Listen, you can not fold here. Whether or not you lose the hand, you cannot flop king high flushes and ever fold that hand. Even considering this is going to mess up your entire game. Probably 1% of players are folding here, the other 99% are calling. Therefore there are going to be moments where YOU have the Ace high flush vs a King high flush, and they will PAY YOU EVERY TIME. If you fold here and turns out you would have been good, well every other player that never folds the King high flush just got paid $ that you aren't going to have.

This is llsnl. Sometimes they "have it" in their mind but they are just overvaluing their hand. Sometimes they do ridiculous things with middling pocket pairs, or randomly 3 barrel with 27o or 23o then show it for the luls.

Tldr: Never fold a flopped king high flush. Just don't do it, don't think about doing it, ever.

I agree with this. Regs and casual players at 1-2 table who flop set or straight here will jam, and many with Ah-x will call the jam. I would say that King high flush is ahead of the other players here 60-70% of the time.

At the same time, I would not be jamming but rather would be value-betting to suck in the players drawing to better hands. If you get a bad turn, you can still get away, but on a safe turn (no paired board, no 4th heart) then jam there.

lol. Come on man.