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1/2 NLHE, facing jam on paired board 1/2 NLHE, facing jam on paired board

10-28-2019 , 01:17 AM
Villain- $180
Hero-200
6 handed

Villain just sat down a couple hands ago, I have no reads on him.

I raise UTG to $7 with KdQc (kinda feel I should have sized larger)

3 callers, including villain on the button

Flop ($21)-2c5dKh

I bet 10, only villain calls

Turn (41) 5c

I bet 20, villain raises to 60. Before he does this he makes eye contact with me and I have a feeling he picks up that I am feeling uneasy, not too comfortable with the board at this point. I call after some thinking

River (161) 7d

I check, villain jams for remaining 110

Hero ????
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10-28-2019 , 01:51 AM
with no reads, think this is straight forward fold. I’d say raise more pre somewher like 10-15. Also, I think we can get more value from worse if we check turn, bet riv instead.
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10-28-2019 , 04:02 AM
I never feel safe with TPGK after someone shoved river.

However, Villain shouldn't have a stronger king. But it's hard to find many combos that beat us: 3 combos 22, 1 combo 55, if he has K2 his two pair has just been counterfeited, 4 combos K5. In his flatting range are some fives though (54s,65s,75s, A5s)

It looks like he felt weakness in your river check after his raise. Maybe he had just flush draw.

This is a borderline decision.
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10-28-2019 , 04:04 AM
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Originally Posted by dodah
with no reads, think this is straight forward fold. I’d say raise more pre somewher like 10-15. Also, I think we can get more value from worse if we check turn, bet riv instead.
+1 for the last phrase. Always ask yourself: do I want to be raised here?
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10-28-2019 , 02:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Theagent77
I never feel safe with TPGK after someone shoved river.

However, Villain shouldn't have a stronger king. But it's hard to find many combos that beat us: 3 combos 22, 1 combo 55, if he has K2 his two pair has just been counterfeited, 4 combos K5. In his flatting range are some fives though (54s,65s,75s, A5s)

It looks like he felt weakness in your river check after his raise. Maybe he had just flush draw.

This is a borderline decision.
This was much of my thinking. I forgot to add that billion was late 20s early 30s and just seemed like the kind of person that could make bluffs. I made the call after some tanking and he said good call. I feel like I should have asked to see his hand because I'm curious but I was so relieved that I was just happy to take down the pot. another big reason for the call was like I said in my original post I just felt like he could sense weakness when he looked at me I can get kind of rigid when I'm nervous about a hand. I play a really tight game and I don't bluff catch often but recently I have been bluff catching a bit and I'm pretty proud that I've been right almost every time.
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10-29-2019 , 11:59 AM
At least $10 pre - my go to size here is $15, but can go as low as $10 and as high as $25.

Turn is a straightforward exploit fold vs population
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10-29-2019 , 12:42 PM
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Originally Posted by sixsevenoff
At least $10 pre - my go to size here is $15, but can go as low as $10 and as high as $25.

Turn is a straightforward exploit fold vs population
$25 on an open raise? Geez...
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10-29-2019 , 02:35 PM
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Originally Posted by ChainedOJ
$25 on an open raise? Geez...
Yes. I regularly play in games where a $15 open will go 4-6 ways every time, but a $25 open will go HU like 90% of the time, 3 ways 9% of the time, and everyone folds 1% of the the .
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10-29-2019 , 02:59 PM
PF sizing suggestions way too big, imo. Raising smaller from utg is fine, as long as we can fold late position players some of the time. I often raise to $8 from utg. I raise more in later positions after limpers, raise even more from the blinds, and much more as 3!, including l/rr. Raising to $25 as an open from utg with KQ is a leak.
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10-29-2019 , 03:09 PM
Good call on river, but in general its prob a losing call. Low stakes players just aren't usually doing this without a 5 or 22 here. I'd expect to see 55,57,45 and A5 fairly often.
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10-29-2019 , 03:16 PM
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Originally Posted by chunkOchips
PF sizing suggestions way too big, imo. Raising smaller from utg is fine, as long as we can fold late position players some of the time. I often raise to $8 from utg. I raise more in later positions after limpers, raise even more from the blinds, and much more as 3!, including l/rr. Raising to $25 as an open from utg with KQ is a leak.
Opening to $8 in a 1/2 game is a huge leak...I misread post and thought we had KQs...KQo is just a fold unless we're at a super nitty table.
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10-29-2019 , 03:25 PM
This turn needs to be checked. V has all the 5x here from the button. Hero doesn’t have a three street hand unless the V is a drooler. Hero makes a hero call but this is usually a fold against the general 1/2 population.

Edit: also agree with 67o that I wouldn’t normally open with KQo bu I suppose six-handed it’s okay at the right table.
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10-29-2019 , 04:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Spanishmoon
This turn needs to be checked. V has all the 5x here from the button. Hero doesn’t have a three street hand unless the V is a drooler. Hero makes a hero call but this is usually a fold against the general 1/2 population.

Edit: also agree with 67o that I wouldn’t normally open with KQo bu I suppose six-handed it’s okay at the right table.
Yeah, definitely check turn. I'm off my game today lol.

The turn cards I want to least, in order: 5, 2, A, 6
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10-29-2019 , 07:28 PM
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Originally Posted by sixsevenoff
Opening to $8 in a 1/2 game is a huge leak...I misread post and thought we had KQs...KQo is just a fold unless we're at a super nitty table.
Yeah, I'd fold KQo UTG 10-handed, but it's only 6-handed, so effectively a Low-Jack open raise, so I think it's OK at most tables.

Bigger pre, as played, easy fold on the river, and possibly on the turn.

We don't make money at this level by picking off bluffs with top pair; we make money as villain by value betting when we have trips or a set, and getting called by top pair.
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10-29-2019 , 09:17 PM
I definitely agree with a fold. I would fold this turn against 90% of players. I also usually check this turn. I don't know why I decided to get so out of line. I just had a read on this guy.

Last edited by ChainedOJ; 10-29-2019 at 09:25 PM.
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