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Did they know you were getting ready to rack up? This makes it even better. Probably thought you were just trying to win your last hand and played back at you.

I was falling asleep at the table saying "I'm about to leave" for the last two orbits or so.

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02-13-2015 , 05:12 PM

#27

Dubey

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Originally Posted by CallMeVernon

I am much more worried about V1, who opened small and then didn't go away when you 3bet him, than I am about the guy who actually shoved. That guy probably has some mid-pocket pair that he didn't feel like folding, and if I knew V1 was going to fold I'd get it in against V3 without hesitation. However, V1 could definitely have AA. He opens small to induce a 3bet, then pretends to tank, and then just calls because your 3bet is big enough that he doesn't think he needs to worry about isolating. I would be very surprised if we were in good shape against V1 (unless he has another AK).

I agree that V1 is the only one that could show up with AA or KK here, but I just don't think it's very likely with the tank/call. Most Vs are just too eager to get it all-in with AA when they get 3-bet so large. I would have been watching him very very closely as he was making his decision. I think "fake tanks" are pretty easy to spot most of the time. Most people are pretty transparant with their emotions when they have a big decision. I'm guessing his hand is QQ or AK.

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02-13-2015 , 06:02 PM

#28

Mr_Doomed

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Originally Posted by spikeraw22

If you were on a boat it would be called the SS Spew. No way you're good in that spot.

Really? I think the line is fairly standard after everyone called a 3x raise. Not to mention there are two villans that called the 50. What hand could V3 have that actually crushes AK. Once we 3 bet so huge we need to be of this off, I feel like it's A pretty standard spot to get it in.

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02-13-2015 , 07:58 PM

#29

Winslow Lee

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I guess the only question here is if you're comfotable flipping for at least half of your stack.
ONE of these guys has a pocket pair 100% IMO
So you're flipping for at least $250 right?
The only one that covers you is V1 and he seems to be the loosest of the bunch,so I'm thinking you're ahead of him,but still flipping against one or both of the other two.
I'm a rec player and a fairly new one at that so I'm less than stellar with the math end of things.
Interested how this hand turned out.

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02-13-2015 , 07:58 PM

#30

cxy123

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Originally Posted by donkatruck

At this point (when the action comes back to us), we want folds given the tremendous amount of dead money in the pot (if our read is SB holding AA/KK unlikely).

Folds from who? Nut peddling V just have us a speech and shoved. I want the loose V who still had money behind to come along.

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02-13-2015 , 08:25 PM

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alienbogey

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Originally Posted by bg's582

I hope you got crushed

WTF?

Personally, I hope OP rivered a straight FTW.

When I first saw this post (before any replies, then I had to go offline) I thought it was likely +EV, and I've PokerCrunched it a bunch and I come up with marginally + to quite +EV depending on ranges.

Standing by for a happy ending.....

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02-13-2015 , 08:27 PM

#32

Nice_Guy_Eddie

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Hero's shove is a pure gamble. Best case we're slightly ahead, worst case we're completely ****ed. If villains have at least two A or K, hero can almost never realistically be a favorite. Why would we want to put our stack in jeopardy on such a long shot? People can do what they want with their money, but you might as well take your stack to the roulette wheel and put it all on black.

I hope hero wins and gets lucky. I'd wait for a more profitable situation to get my money in.

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02-13-2015 , 08:45 PM

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PhillyEagles9

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I agree with Eddie here. Look, you can show all the math you want, and pokerstove could say that this is profitable in the long run. But there is no way I am gambling the stack I spent all night building on this. The people who take ev really seriously probably hate that mindset, and in general I don't play soft, but if this is me in the situation I am folding to the first shove, same good game to everybody at the table, cashing out and getting a good nights sleep. And they won't feel the slightest bit of regret, even if that flop does come Q J T

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02-13-2015 , 09:09 PM

#34

DK Barrel

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Huh at folding. if I'm reading right V3 is SB? Why on earth would we be afraid of aa/kk here?

I mean, yeah sometimes we are going to run into weird nuts. but the reason we shove is because it's more likely (in this case way more likely) villains are spazzing with anything else

This isn't even a close spot, you probably have >50% equity and there's a mountain of dead money

well played hero

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02-13-2015 , 09:40 PM

#35

br3nt00

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well played. i would be very happy here, you aren't going to win them all but this is clearly +EV

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02-13-2015 , 11:05 PM

#36

Dutchstreetfish

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It's going to be hard to win this pot but you got your money in good. AK has pos EV here against Vs ranges.

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02-13-2015 , 11:21 PM

#37

Gilmour

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Originally Posted by Dutchstreetfish

It's going to be hard to win this pot but you got your money in good. AK has pos EV here against Vs ranges.

AK plays pretty good multiway in allin pots like this and like other have already said this is clearly +EV. Well played OP,hope you shipped the monsterpot.

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02-14-2015 , 11:57 AM

#38

Javanewt

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I am amazed anybody who realizes this is even slightly +EV would consider folding. This is perfect for AK. I don't care what the outcome is, if I can get it in good, especially for a large pot, I'm going for it. (And I'm a 46 yo married woman -- not some gambooly young guy.)

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02-14-2015 , 12:24 PM

#39

MadamIamAdam

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Std

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02-14-2015 , 12:49 PM

#40

Dubey

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results?

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02-14-2015 , 02:21 PM

#41

johnnyBuz

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Results

Spoiler:

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02-14-2015 , 02:24 PM

#42

CallMeVernon

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Spoiler:

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02-14-2015 , 02:26 PM

#43

Dubey

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Nice!!

gotta love the 4-way all-in with no sweat at all on the turn and river

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02-14-2015 , 02:38 PM

#44

Javanewt

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Excellent.

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02-14-2015 , 02:50 PM

#45

Buckethead22

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No real strategy insight from me (I think posters have covered this pretty nicely)... Just wanted to say that it gave me a vicarious feeling of joy to see you scoop the pot! Well done, OP!

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02-14-2015 , 03:01 PM

#46

Gilmour

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Nicely done Johnny! Glad on your part. Lesson learned should be: if a move figures to be +EV dont back down.

Shipping pots on this size is a real bankroll builder.

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02-14-2015 , 03:18 PM

#47

Nice_Guy_Eddie

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Huge W! Shockingly bad play from V1 and V2

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02-14-2015 , 03:41 PM

#48

alienbogey

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Man, I love a happy ending. And with a picture! Congrats.

For those scoring at home, here are the actual equities (rounded, ignoring ties):

V1 9

: 17%

V2 T

15%

V3: J

37%

Hero A

: 30%

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02-14-2015 , 04:19 PM

#49

DK Barrel

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Originally Posted by Nice_Guy_Eddie

Huge W! Shockingly bad play from V1 and V2

Some people just want to win a big pot. they don't really have a clue about equities but they figure just getting it in four ways can't be too bad.

They're not really wrong either -- 97dd getting it in for $250 effective is "only" a -$78 EV mistake. Which is huge if you're trying to be a winning player (imagine throwing away 39BB on a decision even once every ten hours) but it's not going to break a rec player. Often that's exactly what they came to do -- find a spot where they can gamble for a big pot and not be drawing dead.

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02-14-2015 , 05:49 PM

#50

Javanewt

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I almost called all in w 97s after four players in front of me were all in. I knew they all had big pairs and maybe had each others outs. I had only $200 and I knew it was a gamble, but fun! Wish I had called -- hit my flush vs AA, KK, JJ, and AK.

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