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Old 03-06-2017, 04:00 PM   #1
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1/2 NL - Weird hand...weird spot

1/2 NL @ 1:00 am on a Wednesday night

V - $400 ~
H - Covers

V - 50's WG - seems like a regular but maybe not a winning regular, played one hand against Hero where I raised to $15 preflop with AQ out of the SB and he was the only caller and the board was Q92 with flush draw...I bet $25 flop, he calls....turn Q I bet $55, he calls....river off suit 4 and I shove for 220 and he claims 10's and folds but doesn't show....then another hand he bluffed me with J high in a small pot but his bluff made no sense as he bet into like 5 people on the turn and then bet again on the river and he had no equity at all so it struck be as odd because he has to realize that bluff is -EV long term (maybe he doesn't)

H - most likely viewed as a "young punk" by V in the hand as I have shown a couple bluffs and really have just been monkeying around to some degree, but honestly not as much as V might perceive

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Hero is on the button and it's limped around to him...he has 88 and raises to 15

SB call, BB call, and V calls

Flop - $60
742 with club draw

Checks to H who bets 45
folds to V who calls

Turn - $150
5 of diamonds putting diamond draw on board
V bets 70
Hero calls (merit to just shipping turn with amount of draws out there?)

River - $270
K of diamonds completing backdoor flush
V ships for $280
Hero has urge to insta throw one chip in but resists and tanks.........
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Old 03-06-2017, 04:57 PM   #2
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Re: 1/2 NL - Weird hand...weird spot

Pre and flop are fine, although I might limp pre or raise more -- I don't really want three callers, but at least you have position. Turn is OK. Not sure I like the ship idea unless you are positive you have some FE and/or could be ahead with 88.

River is a fold. If he's bluffing, fine.
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Old 03-06-2017, 05:07 PM   #3
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Re: 1/2 NL - Weird hand...weird spot

Fold river, and I think you played the hand fine.

Some consideration to just folding turn, we really only beat a bluff and it would be a weird spot for villain to x/c, the lead with air. That said, your previous indicators of V make me want to call and see if he continues the aggression on the river.
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Old 03-06-2017, 05:14 PM   #4
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Re: 1/2 NL - Weird hand...weird spot

ship turn you have overpair and gutshot, call river.

did he really fold tens? maybe not. did he show the jack high bluff?

btw im probably totally wrong.
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Old 03-06-2017, 05:27 PM   #5
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Re: 1/2 NL - Weird hand...weird spot

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ship turn you have overpair and gutshot, call river.

did he really fold tens? maybe not. did he show the jack high bluff?

btw im probably totally wrong.
He showed the J high bluff
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Old 03-06-2017, 05:29 PM   #6
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Re: 1/2 NL - Weird hand...weird spot

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Pre and flop are fine, although I might limp pre or raise more -- I don't really want three callers, but at least you have position. Turn is OK. Not sure I like the ship idea unless you are positive you have some FE and/or could be ahead with 88.

River is a fold. If he's bluffing, fine.
I thought about shipping turn because he could be leading with a diamond draw...a hand like 76 or something.....that 5 of diamonds put a lot of draws on the board and that V might be thinking I just have over cards to the board since I raised pre flop.....so I figured I am ahead a lot of the time on that turn...not to mention there was a flush draw on the flop that he could still have
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Old 03-06-2017, 05:33 PM   #7
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Re: 1/2 NL - Weird hand...weird spot

Which card was the diamond on the flop? Can he have 67, 97, or A7 of diamonds?

I think you have to fold the river. As a general rule, when a 50-something white guy overbets the river in a live 1-2 game, he's rarely bluffing. Specific to this hand, his limp-call preflop gives him all of the sets (including a turned set with pocket 5s), as well as all AXs of diamonds. And your hand looks like a strong overpair (or AK), making it even less likely that he'd bluff the river. Sometimes he'll be bluffing with missed clubs, but not often enough to call, and the turn donk bet is a strange line to take with clubs.

In the previous hand, did you consider checking the river? He might bluff a missed flush, and he's likely to bet any Q anyway, allowing you the check-raise all-in.
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Old 03-06-2017, 05:35 PM   #8
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Re: 1/2 NL - Weird hand...weird spot

As I wrote, if you think you have enough FE and/or you are ahead enough of the time, shoving the turn is fine. Only you can know that based on your reads at the table.
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Old 03-07-2017, 11:37 AM   #9
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Re: 1/2 NL - Weird hand...weird spot

If we shove turn, we are shoving 340 (270 on top of his 70). This is too much to risk imo. If we had 250 or less left on the turn i think I shove
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Old 03-07-2017, 05:59 PM   #10
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Re: 1/2 NL - Weird hand...weird spot

If he's capable of throwing this much money on a bluff, you can find a more profitable spot to look him up than with a mid pocket pair.
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