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1/2 NL: Villain keeps announcing his cards so where should Trooper sit? 1/2 NL: Villain keeps announcing his cards so where should Trooper sit?

08-04-2015 , 06:23 AM
Note: I know discussions about seats have been done before but I thought this was unique because it got some discussion going and this was such a rare type of villain.


I was watching the vlog that TheTrooper97 put up called Free Money Giveaway on this page:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/10.../index216.html

Villain said out loud what his cards were PF in every hand for a couple of hours. Villain was not caught lying and always had what he said. Villain was drunk. The rest of the table mucked when they didn't have anything. Villain folded when he didn't have anything (by this I think Trooper meant postflop, not PF because he also called villain a maniac, and it sounds like villain did a lot of chasing postflop).

Villain also did weird stuff like open to 30 with T2. For more details about hands you can go to a little after 7:00 in the video.


So here's the question I have:

If you were Trooper, where would you try to sit? On his left or on his right? Some people argued that sitting to the left of this villain was better. Others argued that sitting to his right was better.
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08-04-2015 , 12:10 PM
Sit where you will be able to get heads up with him most often
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08-04-2015 , 02:26 PM
I think I'd still get on his left. Yes I understand the argument for getting on his right but being on his left, it would be easier to isolate him heads up. I'd take position over him as much as possible.
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08-04-2015 , 07:59 PM
Doesn't it depend hugely on his PFR%? If it's high, we want to be on his right to l/rr frequently. If it's low, we want to be on his left to isolate the bejeezus out of him.
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08-04-2015 , 08:47 PM
Interesting responses so far. At first I was thinking on his left was better but I did hear a persuasive (IMO) case for sitting on his right. But I don't want to influence responses yet so I want to see what others say. If anyone skims this thread and thinks "Well duh of course you sit on his left," then I think they should think about this more because it's not as obvious as that.
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08-04-2015 , 09:52 PM
you often want to be on a Maniac's right so that you have relative position, that is, the hand really starts when the maniac acts, so you get to see if anybody is lying in the weeds before action gets to you. (there is a COTM on relative position in the stickies)

here, you kinda have a similar thing. as a bonus, position on this guy isn't so important anymore. one of the reasons for position is due to the info gained by V action. we already got all of the info.

on the other hand, we're going to make our money at this table from this guy, so maybe we want position

I'll guess on his right is better though
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08-04-2015 , 10:11 PM
relative position (on his right) is best IF you can predict what V will do.
because then you get to see what V does and how the whole table reacts to him.
the problem then becomes you must limp in with every hand not knowing if V is even going to be in it!

but on his left is good too - because you will know exactly when V is raising and how much. But the problem is you can get trapped by players at the table who may 3-bet or smooth call with a much better, dominating hand.

maybe across the table gives us the best of both worlds?
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08-05-2015 , 12:37 AM
It's hard to go wrong against someone who gives away his hand. I'd think his right would be best so you could blat everyone out of the pot at every opportunity regardless of your cards. Im talking about ATC. If no one shows any aggression you raise him EVERY hand.
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08-05-2015 , 10:21 PM
In the other thread these comments were made on pages 217 and 218:

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I understand the term relative position. I disagree with you. I would get on his immediate left and 3b him big preflop everytime I was ahead. You will make more $ this way and people at 1/2 will let you get away with this. I think your relative position argument may make more sense at 2/5+ where people are less likely to let you get away with outright exploitation... It's 1/2 tho, I dgaf what everyone else is going to do, I want to destroy the guy telling me what he has every hand, and if someone else wants to come along they are going to have to pay for that right everytime, and with the lack of $/knowledge most at 1/2 have, they aren't going to adjust and join the party at w correct frequency.



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Um but if you are on his direct right you can just limp, see what all the other action is and then 3bet when there is a ton of dead money in the middle and if he decides to 4bet then he has essentially isolated you with a weaker hand.

Position isn't that important post flop because you already know his cards and can easily exploit him based on that and his tendencies.



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i contend that isoing a man telling us what his exact cards are has more value than squeezing dead monies pre--- plus sometimes one of these fellows has limped a premium hand hoping to set a tarp and then that sucks kinda bad...

other considerations:
stack size
do people realize what we are doing
is this villian raising or limping when he enters pots
how deep are effective stacks
how often are people flatting our isos/3bs


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Hard for others to limp when villain raises it. Players are going to be calling him pretty wide pre. It would be pretty terrible for them to not isolate this player pre with premiums. Yes, sometimes players will pick up premiums but for the most part will play them face up which allows us to lose the minimum when we are on villain's right.

FWIW, I want to play as many hands as possible with this player, not just the times when we happen to be ahead preflop (this is still a cash game, not a push/fold SNG). Being on his right makes this much easier to accomplish.

Also, this is not just applicable preflop but also postflop in pots that go multiway.
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