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Old 04-18-2019, 01:29 PM   #1
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1/2 NL, is villain ever bluffing with this river lead?

1/2 NL, 9 handed, six hours into session.

Hero ($700, MP): Hero has a very tight aggressive image. Hero has played with villain about 200 hours and villain knows that hero is a thinking player, is always one of the tightest players at the table, and is also very aggressive.

Villain ($1000, BB): Villain is easily the best player that hero has ever played against. Villain used to play 40+ hours a week 200 NL online combined with 10/20 live, but now only plays half as much as he used to, and only plays in the 1/2 games because he lives right next to the card room and has several friends that deal, manage the room, and play. Villain plays pretty loose overall, just because of the level of skill in the room.

OTTH

UTG, UTG +1, and UTG +2 limp. Hero makes it $16 with K Q and only villain calls.

Flop ($39): J 8 7. Villain checks, hero bets $30, and villain calls.

Turn ($99): 5. Villain checks, hero bets $65 and villain calls.

River ($229): 2. Villain leads for $300. Hero?

Does villain always have T 9 or A X? I wouldn't think villain would be calling the turn with A Jx?
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Old 04-18-2019, 01:34 PM   #2
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Re: 1/2 NL, is villain ever bluffing with this river lead?

Fold, we have a ton of AhX combos...


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Old 04-18-2019, 01:37 PM   #3
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Re: 1/2 NL, is villain ever bluffing with this river lead?

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1/2 NL, 9 handed, six hours into session.

Hero ($700, MP): Hero has a very tight aggressive image. Hero has played with villain about 200 hours and villain knows that hero is a thinking player, is always one of the tightest players at the table, and is also very aggressive.

Villain ($1000, BB): Villain is easily the best player that hero has ever played against. Villain used to play 40+ hours a week 200 NL online combined with 10/20 live, but now only plays half as much as he used to, and only plays in the 1/2 games because he lives right next to the card room and has several friends that deal, manage the room, and play. Villain plays pretty loose overall, just because of the level of skill in the room.

OTTH

UTG, UTG +1, and UTG +2 limp. Hero makes it $16 with K Q and only villain calls.

Flop ($39): J 8 7. Villain checks, hero bets $30, and villain calls.

Turn ($99): 5. Villain checks, hero bets $65 and villain calls.

River ($229): 2. Villain leads for $300. Hero?

Does villain always have T 9 or A X? I wouldn't think villain would be calling the turn with A Jx?
YOU SAID HE'S LOOSE so naked A heart call on turn possible.
overbet of pot pure bluff with 2 black cards most likely if your reads are correct he knows you won't call unless you have the A of hearts
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Old 04-18-2019, 01:41 PM   #4
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Re: 1/2 NL, is villain ever bluffing with this river lead?

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Does villain always have T 9 or A X? I wouldn't think villain would be calling the turn with A Jx?
T9hh is only one combo, but there are a couple AXhh and I'd think AhJx would call turn - your range includes fewer made flushes and more overpairs so the J and A outs are mostly live.

If river lead is a bluff, it's a good one and one I'm not willing to pay $300 to call.
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Old 04-18-2019, 02:10 PM   #5
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Re: 1/2 NL, is villain ever bluffing with this river lead?

Why wouldn't villain call turn with AhJx? It's obviously not a fold and raising is turning what is often the best hand into a bluff.

Villain's line is dumb and if we only call with Ah we are overfolding. I'd like to see what he has.
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Old 04-18-2019, 02:58 PM   #6
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Re: 1/2 NL, is villain ever bluffing with this river lead?

Clarkmeister's Theorem in action!

sigh call.
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Old 04-18-2019, 04:36 PM   #7
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Re: 1/2 NL, is villain ever bluffing with this river lead?

910hh should open pre, especially w/ your description of V. So I'm never worried about this hand.

Is he limping off suit AX from UTG? Seems like a poor strategy, but if you seen him do it in the past then I can see you being beat on this river.

AP, I call off w/ the 3rd best hand.
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Old 04-18-2019, 04:53 PM   #8
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Re: 1/2 NL, is villain ever bluffing with this river lead?

He's leading so I'd call. If it were a reraise I'd fold. You underplayed your hand by spastic NL 1/2 standards. Not a good spot though i agree.
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Old 04-18-2019, 05:00 PM   #9
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Re: 1/2 NL, is villain ever bluffing with this river lead?

considering that you are repping a possible A, I would muck it.
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Old 04-18-2019, 05:13 PM   #10
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Re: 1/2 NL, is villain ever bluffing with this river lead?

V is competent so he could have merged a weaker made hand into a bluff here and then sized properly for anything but the nuts to fold. This is a pretty gross spot. I guess it’s soul read time. Could probably justify call or fold at the table and be OK with the decision.
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Old 04-18-2019, 06:38 PM   #11
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Re: 1/2 NL, is villain ever bluffing with this river lead?

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910hh should open pre, especially w/ your description of V. So I'm never worried about this hand.

Is he limping off suit AX from UTG? Seems like a poor strategy, but if you seen him do it in the past then I can see you being beat on this river.

AP, I call off w/ the 3rd best hand.
Lol villain is a legit, legit good player, not what the average 1/2 player calls good. He was in BB and does not have an open limping range.
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Old 04-18-2019, 06:50 PM   #12
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Re: 1/2 NL, is villain ever bluffing with this river lead?

I’m not over folding against a former high stakes pro splashing around at 1/2.

He’s not likely to be limp calling 9Ts.

Why wouldn’t you expect villain to call with AhJx? Seems like a standard call.
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Old 04-18-2019, 06:56 PM   #13
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Re: 1/2 NL, is villain ever bluffing with this river lead?

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Iím not over folding against a former high stakes pro splashing around at 1/2.

Heís not likely to be limp calling 9Ts.

Why wouldnít you expect villain to call with AhJx? Seems like a standard call.
Villain is in BB. I wouldn't expect AhJx to call because I would expect he'd be thinking he only has 9 outs and not enough equity in relation to pot odds.
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Old 04-18-2019, 07:11 PM   #14
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Re: 1/2 NL, is villain ever bluffing with this river lead?

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Villain is in BB. I wouldn't expect AhJx to call because I would expect he'd be thinking he only has 9 outs and not enough equity in relation to pot odds.
AhJx is the most std call ott in the world vs anyone but a nut peddler.

Also, even if it werent std, iíd be very careful about projecting your own thought process onto other people. Thatís a way to leak a lot of money.

No gambler on godís green earth is folding AhJx ott.

And how exactly does he only have 9 outs ott? Your range for betting isnít 100% exclusively flushes. If it were, it shouldnt be. And if for some reason it were, iím sure he wouldnt be expecting to have only 9 outs vs your range
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Old 04-18-2019, 07:39 PM   #15
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Re: 1/2 NL, is villain ever bluffing with this river lead?

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AhJx is the most std call ott in the world vs anyone but a nut peddler.

Also, even if it werent std, iíd be very careful about projecting your own thought process onto other people. Thatís a way to leak a lot of money.

No gambler on godís green earth is folding AhJx ott.

And how exactly does he only have 9 outs ott? Your range for betting isnít 100% exclusively flushes. If it were, it shouldnt be. And if for some reason it were, iím sure he wouldnt be expecting to have only 9 outs vs your range
You're right, just sets and flushes he'd only have 9 outs, wasn't thinking he could get higher 2p. My bad.
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Old 04-18-2019, 10:12 PM   #16
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Re: 1/2 NL, is villain ever bluffing with this river lead?

I'm calling here, surely most of your range hates the 4flush otr, and if he had the nf he would want to extract with a smaller sizing from a hand like yours
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Old 04-20-2019, 11:56 AM   #17
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Re: 1/2 NL, is villain ever bluffing with this river lead?

so did V show the bluff ?
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Old 04-20-2019, 01:23 PM   #18
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Re: 1/2 NL, is villain ever bluffing with this river lead?

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so did V show the bluff ?
I called thinking we have to call it off here with A, K, and T 9, or else we can get exploited...Villain had T 9
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Old 04-22-2019, 03:23 PM   #19
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Re: 1/2 NL, is villain ever bluffing with this river lead?

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I called thinking we have to call it off here with A, K, and T 9, or else we can get exploited...Villain had T 9
Was he UTG+2 or something? I really don't understand his limp preflop.
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Old 04-22-2019, 03:41 PM   #20
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Was he UTG+2 or something? I really don't understand his limp preflop.
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