Ten handed. Three hours into session.

Villain 1 (UTG, $300): Awful player. He thinks that he's one of the best players out there, and regularly talks strategy at the table, but is truthfully one of the worst players I've ever played against and the worst or second worst reg I play with. He's not bluffable (one time I shoved the river for about a pot sized bet when the flush completed and he called with top pair, no kicker; another time I fired 3 barrels on a flopped open ender with KQ and he called me down with A2).

Villain 2 (CO, $500): Tight passive player. He raises pre flop once or twice an hour and it's always AA, KK, AKo, or AQs+. He min raises when he raises a straddle, and if there's no straddle, he'll usually raise pretty small.

Hero (BTN, $400): TAG. Has a good image. Hero is a winning reg and has respect from everyone at the table except villain 1. Hero has been EXTREMELY card dead, and has played less than 20 hands. Hero has only showed down one hand J10o from the BTN and beat kings on a 892K5 board. Villain 2 gives hero a little too much credit sometimes, villain 1 rarely gives hero any credit ever.

OTTH

Every single player limps to villain 2 (which was very odd) who raises it to $20. Hero looks up to Q Q and thinks for a little.

He would 3! ANY player at the table, but thinks there's a good chance he's up against AA or KK and calls. Villain 2 could have AK or AQs+, but hero sees no reason to 3! villain even though he's probably gonna throw up call down on a non A or K board.

BB calls and villain 1 calls.

Flop ($89): Q 5 3

BB checks, villain 1 checks, villain 2 bets $80, hero calls and is almost 100% sure villain 2 has AA, BB folds and villain 1 calls.

Turn ($329): 2.

Villain 1 checks and villain 2 checks. Hero? Thoughts on flatting pre flop as well, please.

Preflop is good when his range is so narrow. There is no law about having to 3! just because you have QQ.

Flop plays itself.

Turn, you have $300 behind...you could either just rip it in or bet like ~$120 then shove river. You can't really make a bad mistake here unless you check back.

If table is really as tight as you say (given small sample size from few showdowns) then flatting is fine, especially a LP open who will likely fold to your 3b OOP. Flop - clear call, no point in raising and blowing him off his hand. Stacks are really short at this point, so you can bet really small on the turn (1/3 pot or less) and still have a reasonable river shove.

Glad to hear the flat pre was good. I did end up shoving, villain 1 tanked for a while and folded, and villain 2 tanked for a while and then said "alright kid, I'm folding aces," and I said "I know you had aces, but I can't believe you just laid them down."

I’m almost tempted to click it back on the flop. Is villain really folding KK or AA when you min raise him? Would make it much easier to get stacks in this way.

As played I think I like a half pot sized bet on the turn to set up a crying call on the river when we put the last of our stack in. Jamming 300 into 329 is a strong play, especially on such a dry board, and may work against you in getting value.

No reason to go crazy on turn. I'd fire like $150 or so. Something that's super valuey then sets up a trivial river bet.

Bet small, like 110-125.

I would go small like $100-115 on turn. It’s a difficult size to play against effectively.

I too like betting small OTT to set up a trivial river shove. You have the board crushed, which makes it so unlikely that either V has better than 1P holdings.

There are some bad river cards for you that either give your Vs the best hand or make it harder for you to get value, so jamming for about a PSB can't be that bad, especially if you think V will be sticky with OPs. That said, you can safely get stacks in by the river without having to potentially blow the Vs out of the water with a large turn sizing, so I'd rather size down and risk one of the few bad river cards coming in order to get maximum value from your hand.

+1 to small turn sizing.

What is this lifetime heater you are on where playing 18 hands in 3 hours is extremely card dead?

pf flat & flop flat are standard here.

Shoving on that turn is godawful. The board is bone dry, and you want to encourage any Ax to come along, especially now that they've picked up a gutshot. Give them bad odds with a $120 turn bet and take it down with your shove when they check to you again on the blank river.

Shoving is only OK on the turn for the villains who get married to their overpairs, which this guy clearly isn't, given his turn check.


Also suggest reflecting on why you spent so many words on V1, you seem a little obsessed with him.