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02-14-2015 , 05:26 PM

ShermanTank

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Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 401

1/2 UTG Straddle to 4$. Folds around to Hero (272) who opens in MP+2 with T

to 22$. Guy to the left (105) calls, Button (~200) calls, SB (~600) calls, Straddle (~170) calls.

Flop(112$): 8

SB Checks, UTG checks, Hero bet 70$, Guy to the left all in 83$, BB folds, SB calls, Straddle all in for $148, Hero all in for 240, SB calls. ~650 in main, and 200 in side 3 between me and SB.

I'm not sure if the first bet was a good idea, but I didn't like checking. Given the action after that, I figured an overpair and a set/combo draw. If both a 9 and a T are outs for me is this enough to call? Or just bad all the way?

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02-14-2015 , 06:44 PM

QuadJ

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Preflop is obvious. Flop bet is debatable but you do have an over pair and a gut shot draw so I wouldn't say it's bad.

When villain after you shoves, that gets called and then somebody else reshoves you should fold. If both a T and a 9 are good your close to getting the odds but probably not there because of redraws, it would depend on the exact hands your facing. However, it is pretty much guaranteed that not all of your outs are clean and your opponents block some of the cards you need. It is possible your already drawing dead or very thin, and likely even if you hit it's a chop.

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02-14-2015 , 06:56 PM

wewa925

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I don't see how you're ever good here

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02-14-2015 , 07:49 PM

ShermanTank

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I messed up in that I'm fairly sure I had the ten of diamonds. Guy on left only played big pairs and ak/aq so I read him as overpair and his face fell as the action occured. SB was upset about calling 83 and remarked that I had kk or 88. Upset part seemed very legit so I didn't think he had a straight or even a set. I figured another overpair or possibly two pair/pair+draw. I put straddle on a set and possibly straight but with TT that cuts down on straights.

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02-14-2015 , 08:37 PM

QuadJ

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Having the Td cuts down the number of combo draws you can be facing, but somebody probably has a higher flush/backdoor flush draw. It doesn't really increase your outs and doesn't change the fact there was too much action in front to think your good.

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02-14-2015 , 09:36 PM

fitzthetaxman

adept

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I think folding flop would be mistake.

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02-15-2015 , 01:00 AM

AlexOrbs

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Join Date: Dec 2013 Posts: 100

Aren't other players unable to raise after one V raises all in for an incomplete raise though?

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02-15-2015 , 01:13 AM

Kler

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Join Date: Dec 2014 Posts: 496

Against 3 opponents I don't see how your tens could be good. If one has an overpair to your tens you have 6 outs, but some of those outs, like the 9, are probably blocked by at least one other player who's on a draw (like the SB, who is just flat called two different shoves). I would probably fold. If I had great reads and accurate hand ranges for all three villains then it could be close, I guess, it's a tough spot, I'd have to stove it, I wouldn't be able to do the math in my head on the spot it's too close a call. I would have just folded the flop. I'm okay with the c-bet, though.

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02-15-2015 , 02:20 AM

TTBH240

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Join Date: Jul 2014 Posts: 277

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Originally Posted by AlexOrbs

Aren't other players unable to raise after one V raises all in for an incomplete raise though?

No, they can raise because they haven't got to act yet.

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02-15-2015 , 02:56 AM

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JasonSM

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Join Date: Feb 2015 Posts: 30

You gave us 0 information on the players... that being said, you should not bet this flop with your hand against 4 players. tons of suited connectors and low pps in all of their ranges.

I know when you see 3 cards below 10 its hard to convince yourself to check but 678dd is a bad board in this type of 5 way pot with your hand.

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02-15-2015 , 01:58 PM

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ShermanTank

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Guy to the left showed QQ, SB 68 and the straddle 95dd straight. 7d on turn gave straddle straight flush and the SB lost side pot to me.

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02-18-2015 , 05:52 PM

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ShermanTank

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Just wanted to return to this thread with my conclusions. After thinking about it for some time, as played I would just smooth call the 78 after looking at equity calculations. However, I no longer like the flop bet and am thankful for the advice not to bet. There was a time when I was scared money weak tight and in last few years I've overcompensated by being too aggressive and bet too many times. I need to find more spots like this where I should proceed with caution. Thanks.

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02-18-2015 , 06:11 PM

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TKO121

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Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 67

You should def be ch/f this flop 6 handed with lots of action. You just have no equity here. Your 10s may already be behind, you lose the 9d as an out as well as the Td (if you didn't have the Td in your hand).
You only invested $22 in this hand. Let it go and wait for a better opportunity to get your money in.

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