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08-09-2014 , 02:43 AM

Hollywade

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Villain in this hand is a white male in his late 50s with gray hair, including a rat-like ponytail. His breath is hideous, and I am lucky enough to be seated directly to his right. He is a very tight player. I haven't seen him raise a hand preflop. Extremely passive. I don't even remember seeing him get to showdown yet. (~$200)

I cover. I've been playing pretty tight, and most of my raises have ended the hand preflop or set me up to win with a c-bet.

8-handed
I open in the CO to 10 with A

, Button (Villain) calls, SB (~150) calls.
Flop (32): A-8-5, rainbow
SB checks, I bet 16, Button calls, SB folds.
Turn (64): A, 2 hearts
I check, Button checks.
River (64): 7
I bet 33...

Thoughts?

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08-09-2014 , 07:55 AM

Ollieeeee

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Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 971

I bet 23-25 otf. I like your turn check, it lets you control the pot size a bit, especially important because you are oop. River sizing is ok, could go more or less, it really depends on your postflop reads on villain.

Some people like to bet/bet/bet here but against a tight player you could be valuetowning yourself against AT, AJ, AQ, AK, 88, 55, and we hate life if we bet the turn and villain raises.

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08-09-2014 , 08:16 AM

shaveurself

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Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 169

I guess only concern is a gutshot got free river, bd flush, and kicker ace but IMO played perfect. I'd b/f 40 on river

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08-09-2014 , 08:19 AM

shaveurself

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Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 169

So Ollie has a point. Cbet was so small. u must bet turn then it's not really a hand where second pair pays you off

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08-09-2014 , 08:32 AM

iraisetoomuch

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Join Date: Aug 2013 Posts: 37,508

I tend to bet here.
But I'm not sure if it's a leak.
What do we expect to get called by?

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08-09-2014 , 08:33 AM

birdseed

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Bet fold for sure

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08-09-2014 , 10:07 AM

Hollywade

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Originally Posted by iraisetoomuch

I tend to bet here.
But I'm not sure if it's a leak.
What do we expect to get called by?

Are you talking about the river?

I think I may get looked up with any pair between 99 and KK.

As someone mentioned, I believe bet-bet-bet is probably going to be a losing play in the long run against this fellow, as tight as he is.

Conversely, it seems way too passive to check both the turn and the river after the strength of a top-pair hand increases on the turn.

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08-09-2014 , 10:10 AM

Hollywade

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Originally Posted by shaveurself

I guess only concern is a gutshot got free river, bd flush, and kicker ace but IMO played perfect. I'd b/f 40 on river

I'm having a hard time imagining this guy calling the flop bet with 96, 64, or two hearts. For that matter, I don't think those first two hands even see a flop.

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08-09-2014 , 10:17 AM

MackCorl

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Join Date: Nov 2013 Posts: 456

25ish on flop
Turn check is fine
45-48 river (B/F of course)

Bet sizing seems on smaller edge tbh.

Depending on V I can see you value owning yourself from a10-Aj in this spot too but should still have the habit or higher bet sizings IMO.

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08-09-2014 , 11:42 AM

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runitupwarrior92

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Join Date: Jul 2014 Posts: 8

I would be more inclined to bet a bit bigger on the flop. around $20-25 seems right.

I like the turn check because I don't think you are getting 3 streets of value from a worse hand. At least not as often as you are getting called 3 streets with hands that have you dominated.

As for the river bet, I think you can get value from any pair that is 99+, even an 8 but that isn't too likely to be in villains range given the description. I would be betting somewhere around 40-45 on river with the plan of folding to any raise.

As played I think it is fine, just think if you size your bets bigger you can get more value in the long run.

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08-09-2014 , 09:05 PM

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samo

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I think it is a clear B/F otr. 99+/87 may call.

Is your question more on sizing? Personally I'd go a bit higher otf and otr, assuming yours are based on table conditions.

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08-10-2014 , 08:38 AM

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Hollywade

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Originally Posted by samo

I think it is a clear B/F otr. 99+/87 may call.

Is your question more on sizing? Personally I'd go a bit higher otf and otr, assuming yours are based on table conditions.

Just a basic line check. My bet sizes were based on being up against the biggest nit at the table and wanting to make a bet he could call with worse.

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08-10-2014 , 11:24 AM

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Koss

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Just curious, but what's your plan if he bets the turn? I assume unless you hit a 9 or A your plan was to fold?

I'm kind of torn here. What could he have called with on the flop that isn't an A? TT-KK? My initial instinct is to check/call the river to see if you can get him to bluff at it. But I guess since the flop was so dry there's not too many missed draws in his range for him to bluff with, and if he's really passive he may not do it anyways. I guess I like the bet size to keep his calling range as wide as possible.

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08-10-2014 , 09:50 PM

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Hollywade

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Originally Posted by Koss

Just curious, but what's your plan if he bets the turn? I assume unless you hit a 9 or A your plan was to fold?

Depends on sizing. If it's a card that doesn't help my hand and he makes a reasonably small bet, I probably check-call.

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I'm kind of torn here. What could he have called with on the flop that isn't an A? TT-KK? My initial instinct is to check/call the river to see if you can get him to bluff at it. But I guess since the flop was so dry there's not too many missed draws in his range for him to bluff with, and if he's really passive he may not do it anyways. I guess I like the bet size to keep his calling range as wide as possible.

I'm definitely not going to attempt to induce a bluff from this uber-nit. I just hoped I could get a bit more value. I didn't think he would check the turn with three aces, particularly with a better kicker than mine.

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08-11-2014 , 07:24 AM

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birdseed

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Checking the river is insane vs a nit. Hes going to check back all of the hands we get value from by betting.

I feel like this is a trivially easy bf

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