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1/2 NL TP + GS in limp pot 1/2 NL TP + GS in limp pot

02-04-2011 , 11:01 AM
5 way limp pot, I am in BB

BB A2

Roughly 200 effective

Flop A 4 5

I decide to lead out for 7$. I think leading out here 100% of the time is not profitable, but on occasion it is okay. I am not a fan of check calling, I am either check/folding or leading out. As Ax > A2 exist quite a bit and I won't get any folds from them without multiple barrels, and half the time I don't think they fold at all.

Get 2 callers.

Turn 3

I bet 20$ on the turn. Probably could of made it bigger, would have if it wasn't a complete rainbow.

SB check raises to 70$ with over 100 behind.

Your thoughts? How is your decision different if you hold a hand like 44 or 55 for a redraw?
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02-04-2011 , 12:26 PM
Your read on SB is pretty important here. If he's ultra-passive you are at best chopping and I don't hate a call and hope he lets you showdown cheap. Vs. more typical opponents I'm probably just shipping it OTT hoping to be up against slowplayed sets. I think you do run into 26/67 here a bit though.

Leading flop is usually bad here. c/f or c/c a small bet.

With a set I just call and hope to get it in when the river pairs. I can probably find a river fold with a set vs. a passive player.
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02-04-2011 , 12:28 PM
EV is best in flop spots like this if the game is very agro, the board were wetter, and you're willing to triple barrel. Its not BAD. But its not GOOD.

Jam the turn.
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02-04-2011 , 02:31 PM
I'm not a big fan of betting out in this spot. Basically, you are inflating the pot with an inferior hand while being in the absolute worst position.

So betting out IMO is -EV in this spot. You are going to get called by ANY ace and with 5 limpers there is a good chance someone else has an ace. And if so, you are behind.

Come turn, betting out is fine, but i'm not too thrilled about the SB raising. IMO, you are either behind or chopping (Its not like there is a flush draw out there.) In this spot (after SB raises you), you need to pot control like a mofo. But since SB's raise is so big (compared to your stacks) there is no doubt he is jamming river. So this is a fold.

Yes, that's right, I said it. Why? Well, in this scenario (if the SB is jamming the action) the best you can hope for is a chop. So betting all your money hoping to just get it back is not +EV. And you could be up against 62 or 76 which is a possibility facing a 5 way limpfest pot.

So, imo, you want to pot control but since that is now out of the window, you have to fold.

I now, this may seem nitty, but what other hands would do this? There is no flush draw.

Basically, i've learned that in "chopping" spots like this, the worst thing you can do is get all your money in. Best case scenario is that you ONLY get half of it back. Worst case is you lose all of it. So its just not a good spot to be in tbh.

Last edited by dgiharris; 02-04-2011 at 02:38 PM.
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