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1/2 nl on straddle, flop bottom set on wet board 1/2 nl on straddle, flop bottom set on wet board

07-06-2014 , 04:26 PM
6 handed and 3 stacks have about 800+...ive been at table for about an hour with 350 infront of me from 200

this is at sands pa around 3am

villain has aggro image and has about 850 ... young kid, sunglasses, hoody, you know..he stole one pot from me earlier when i cbet missing the board and he raised it 3x, i thought about making a move and folded and he didnt show...hes utg and im in straddle

everyone limps to me for 4$ and i look down at 99 and make it $24...villain in in hijack and smooth calls, everyone else folds

$72 flop 9QK

hero leads for $36.....villain thinks for 20 seconds and makes it $70 total...hero??
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07-06-2014 , 04:50 PM
Your flop lead here doesn't look too strong and there are lots of worse hands for villain to have. He should never have a higher set, so only JT beats you. Two pair, straight draws, flush draws, combo draws, pair + straight draws, pair + flush draws, pair + combo draws and even some single pairs are in his range here plus a few outright bluffs from certain players. He could also be raising to find out how you react and see if your on an air c-bet.

Stack sizes make raise sizing awkward. To charge the pair+draws and combo draws you need to raise more then half your stack. I would just go ahead and shove. You can't get away from a set on a such draw heavy board against an aggressive player so you might as well charge him as much as you can. He isn't likely to call you light here anyway because there are so many possible strong draws.
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07-07-2014 , 02:09 AM
Flat and check shove turn.He has one legit value hand that has you beat and if he is as aggro as you say he will likely be betting the turn. If his hand happens to come in on the turn then so be it but we are trying to win stacks. He is rarely min raising with a hand that wants to get it in on the flop. If he had a two pair type of hand, He would probably raise bigger as the stack sizes dictate a larger raise size would force a shove/fold situation. He wants to know where he's at OR maybe he's freezing you with a flush draw and hoping for a cheap turn and river. My advice backfires against the latter. Do not Shove the flop against this opponent because you give him an easy way out of his hand and future hands if he knows you always reraise when you're strong.

You need to trap aggro players even on scary boards or they can put you to tough decisions all of the time. I should know... I'm super aggro. If anyone flats my min raise (btw it technically wasn't enough to raise) on that wet of a board I'm putting them to a very tough decision later in the hand.
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07-07-2014 , 07:20 AM
Never flatting this raise and checking turn on that wet of board. With your stack size and being oop just zip it in.
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07-07-2014 , 09:43 AM
is it best to ship it in here, or do a small 3 bet to induce that? is that thinking too much at this table late into the night
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07-07-2014 , 09:11 PM
3 betting small to induce on a soaking wet board is a bad idea. Villains on weak hands will bail, Villain who are drawing and have less then a huge draw will realize they probably need to hit and take the cheap card or fold depending on how good their draw is. Villains with big draws or straights will either flat or come over the top depending on how they want to play it. Unless villain is maniac bluffy, the 3 bet won't induce often enough to balance the times your giving draws the odds they need to chase.
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07-07-2014 , 11:10 PM
well said...i actually did end up 3betting to something like 120 total after thinking for 30 seconds and he thought about it and folded
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07-07-2014 , 11:37 PM
I also like shoving over the raise for reasons well stated by QuadJ. OP, minor comment:
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villain has aggro image and has about 850 ... young kid, sunglasses, hoody, you know..he stole one pot from me earlier when i cbet missing the board and he raised it 3x, i thought about making a move and folded and he didnt show.
You don't know that he "stole" it from you. For all you know he flopped 6 of a kind. (Playing pineapple with wild cards and cheating, duh.) You just know that he raised your cbet and you folded.
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07-08-2014 , 12:38 AM
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Originally Posted by FrankyRizzo
well said...i actually did end up 3betting to something like 120 total after thinking for 30 seconds and he thought about it and folded
Villain has three types of hands:

1. Weak value hands like TPTK or two pair. These hands are drawing to at most 4 outs and most of them need runner-runner outs.
2. Semi-bluff hands like flush draws and straight draws. These hands are never folding, you're going to lose them no matter what if they hit and you don't improve. Nobody is folding Ah5h on the flop.
3. Better sets and straights. These hands are never folding.

When you raise Villain ends up playing his hand perfectly. He folds everything with virtually no outs, calls/raises with strong draws, and hands that are ahead.

I don't think that your hand is so weak that you can't play a turn and river. Your hand is more likely to improve to a full house than a flush draw is likely to improve to a flush.
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