V1 is a good thinking taggish reg. He hasn't gotten out of line in any pots. From his table talk, he is clearly putting players on ranges. ($230)

Hero: probably viewed by V1 as a snug player. ($350)

V2 is a drunk donk. He limp calls any raise size with ATC. The entire table has been isolating him all night. ($150)

EP limps, V2 limps, MP limps, CO limps.

V1 raises to $12.

Hero calls in SB with 33.

EP, V2, MP call. CO folds.

Pot: $60. Flop: 3QAsss.

Checks to V1 who leads for $25. I raise to $60. Folds to V1 who reraises all in to $218.

Is this a crying call or a snap call? Are we ever folding? (I suspect not)

crying call i think

Hands that we beat that he can shove here:
KKx
KQx
AxK
AxJ
AxQx

Set over set is possible, but not likely given his raise size pre flop.
I'd call this off. We are almost never more than a 4:1 dog, sometimes we are a a coin flip, and sometimes we are a 3:1 favorite. Getting 2:1 this seems like a call.

Snap call. For reasons enumerated above.

Call.

It's a snap call, but it's OK to cry while calling.

Don't let your boner get in the way of your chips as you slide them across the felt.

Fist pump call

grunch: crying call

i'm not folding but if villain is smart and ranging players and you're "snug" he must think you're raising a good hand and not bluffing. i would expect to see a flopped flush but i think there are some other hands in range that make this a call along with our outs to make a boat.

Flip your cards over and tell the dealer you call. Reload if he flopped flush (which I doubt, cause why would he push you out of a flush he hit?).
If he flopped a higher set, tell him he has a nice hand, maybe take a lap around the tables to cool off, but tell the dealer you're coming back.

158 into 338 seems to be a call IMO.

My question would be why did you raise this Flop? Bottom set on a board like this can be trouble quite often since the K/J/T are probably going to stick around regardless ... and what do you do on a spade Turn?

Most flushes (maybe not the nut) will push here and then you are looking at your (his) stack.

Only 21% of the deck can Turn a flush .. maybe someone hits a straight. I like to call this to further conceal my hand strength and c/r the Turn depending on what comes up.

If you are committed to a shove here on the Flop then your raise is fine but you probably would be looking at a $60-70 Turn bet into $110 which gives you a good price to draw to your boat on the River. If you c/r the Turn you will probably get called by more hands that you beat than you wouldve otherwise. By c/r the Flop and getting shoved on I think you are less likely to be ahead when you put your money in.

I dont think that a 'true' TAG thinker would shove here unless he was ahead (at least percentage-wise with a combo draw) against a 'snug' opponent. GL

I'm not folding this and would have played it the same way, but would have raised to $85 to set up a turn shove on non-spade turns if called.

Im check raising the flop because of the numerous bad turn cards that could hit. I need to price out the limpers and isolate the pf raiser. I think this is standard.

I leveled myself for a good 3 minutes before tank calling. Dude who shoved turned over AK and said he thought my range included some KJ one spade type hands. He then proceeded to berate me for not snap calling. So I wanted to get 2p2's opinion on whether I am a p**sy.

If you want to price out other players then you need a larger raise as indicated in another post. Your raise gave basically 3 to 1 to the other potential callers when they assume that the V will call the addtional $35. ($60 into $180) This doesnt price anything decent out of this hand and certainly not the Ks (and maybe not the Js) with implied odds ... they can only fear a 3-bet from the V as a reason to get out if they have K/Js.

As far as snap calling ... you proably shouldve decided what you were going to do if shoved on before you raised. That is the thing that he is getting at.

I would be more worried that you thought he viewed you as a snug player and thought you would make a play here with KJ. Actually its not that you would make this play with KsJx (because you should), but that you would show up in this hand with that holding from the SB as a snug player. GL

What flushes does V1 have...
KJs JTs T9s...is he really putting in a sweetening raise with KTs or 67s...when the drunk only has 150 in front of him.



Is he really only raising $12 over 3 limpers including a drunk with AA KK or QQ...l..as played its a snap call...

If you donk out and the original raiser raises (or anyone other then the drunk) you can call and get it in on a non spade turn....



I much prefer to donk out here...let the drunk make a move or call with a small spade, and if the original raiser has AQ or some other biggish hand trap the drunk in....letting this check through would be a disaster....Check raising the original raiser pretty much tells him you got a big hand and lets him fold out AK AJ hands without a spade...and closes down the drunk...

Why did you go for a c/r on the flop when your relative position is so bad for it? b/3bAI all the way imo. Especially because this board would be terrible to give a free card on.

You may be a pussy, but he's an idiot for talking this kind of strat at the table.

Nice comment. I wasn't thinking so carefully when I checked the flop. I have a habit of checking flops to the raiser. I rarely ever donk bet.

I guess that the most likely scenario after donking out will be that I pick up 2-3 callers who have some sort of single spade or top pair type hands. Then I can safely shove any non-spade turn? I guess that this line better conceals my hand strength. OTOH the line I took looks super strong (like a made flush or set only).

In the end I'm not sure about the pro/con analysis. Do we try to thin the field at the cost of exposing our hand strength by check raising? Or should we play a multiway pot with a concealed hand?

Yea, it made me rethink his TAG image. At the time I played the hand I thought he was a good thinking player. After the hand I knew he was capable of spew.

Ummm. My point was that explaining to the table (including you) that a set on a monotone board should be snap calling shoves severely reduced his FE. He should have wanted you to stay MUBSy.

Snap crackle pop this fish.