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07-20-2013 , 12:08 AM
Villian just sat down about 2 orbits ago and posted with max $200 buyin. When it was his option he raised to $10 and got called by utg caller. Flop came down 8 high with two clubs. Utg bet $20 and Villian raised to $80. Utg calls. Turn completes flush. Betting goes check check. River was another club putting 4 clubs on board. Utg checks and villian shoves his remaining stack. Utg tank folds JJ with J open. Villian shows bluff with AK. Also during these orbits he has been quite active pre and aggressive. One hand he raise folded a flop bet.
Now onto hand in question. If villian has been paying attention to my play he would have noticed that I have not played a hand since he has sat down except for blinds because of terrible cards.
Hero (covers) is utg +4 with QQ and raises to $10
Villian $275 in BB calls
Flop 1094 villian checks hero bets $20 villian calls.
Turn 8 villian checks hero bets $30 villian calls.
River J villian shoves $215.
Is this always an easy call?
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07-20-2013 , 12:15 AM
Uh yeah, it's a snap call. Bet more OTT IMO. Sorry he had KQ.
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07-20-2013 , 12:21 AM
Yes.
Even without the very aggressive image, this is a insta-call.
The only way he gets to the river with KQ is if they are spades. That's one combo.
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07-20-2013 , 12:22 AM
River is an easy call vs this guy. The guy's clearly not afraid to leverage scare cards against people and the flushdraw missed.

The turn play is actually more interesting to me as I think that is an excellent spot to pot control and check behind. That's a pretty bad turn card, villain is tricky/aggressive, the pot is still small relative to stack sizes, and it would suck to b/f the turn given that we picked up some outs to beat many better hands, and this guy's probably the type to bluff the river a lot after we showed weakness.
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07-20-2013 , 12:22 AM
Yes it's snap call. We have two queen blockers not to mention his line should have very few KQ or even Q in general in his range. You said he was super aggro so even KQss doesn't make sense for him to play it like this. I beat him into the pot and I think you'd be surprised how often we scoop against a 7 or a set of jacks.
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07-20-2013 , 12:30 AM
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Originally Posted by SBlum2711
Yes it's snap call. We have two queen blockers not to mention his line should have very few KQ or even Q in general in his range. You said he was super aggro so even KQss doesn't make sense for him to play it like this. I beat him into the pot and I think you'd be surprised how often we scoop against a 7 or a set of jacks.
Yea vs this guy I expect to scoop more than chop.
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07-20-2013 , 12:42 AM
"The turn play is actually more interesting to me as I think that is an excellent spot to pot control and check behind. That's a pretty bad turn card, villain is tricky/aggressive, the pot is still small relative to stack sizes, and it would suck to b/f the turn given that we picked up some outs to beat many better hands, and this guy's probably the type to bluff the river a lot after we showed weakness."

If it were played like this (pot controlled) and villian still shoves on river can we find a fold in this situation or this easy call?

Tricky aggressive villians always give me the most problems on the table and they sometimes make me pull my hair out.

Last edited by snails; 07-20-2013 at 12:48 AM.
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07-20-2013 , 12:51 AM
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Originally Posted by snails
"The turn play is actually more interesting to me as I think that is an excellent spot to pot control and check behind. That's a pretty bad turn card, villain is tricky/aggressive, the pot is still small relative to stack sizes, and it would suck to b/f the turn given that we picked up some outs to beat many better hands, and this guy's probably the type to bluff the river a lot after we showed weakness."

If it were played like this (pot controlled) and villian still shoves on river can we find a fold in this situation or this easy call?
Still an easy call vs this guy. Our turn check which shows weakness and thus induces bluffs + his proclivity to leverage scare cards means we still snap call his shove with our one card straight and feel really good about it. There's just no way to get away from this hand if villain has KQ.
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07-20-2013 , 12:51 AM
He should never have kq here, if he does he's awful. Also bet more on the turn.
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07-20-2013 , 12:59 AM
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Originally Posted by snails
Tricky aggressive villians always give me the most problems on the table and they sometimes make me pull my hair out.
These guys will definitely force you to gamble, but gamble you must. And seat change to get position on them so youre in less tough spots which will enable you to keep more of your hair in the long run.
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07-20-2013 , 04:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Larry Lido
Yes.
Even without the very aggressive image, this is a insta-call.
The only way he gets to the river with KQ is if they are spades. That's one combo.
This all day
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07-20-2013 , 04:46 AM
It's pretty much the same play as he did earlier. So yes it's a snap call. Try and get more for your two streets of value though for your over pair because as of now you think this guy is a maniac!

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07-20-2013 , 04:49 AM
Turn bet is 1/2 pot should be bigger. Call river, I only realistically see KQ beating you.
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07-20-2013 , 10:10 AM
Pretty much always calling this against even the most passive opponents. There's a couple other 1 card straights he can have that you beat and there's not many combos of KQ left. And as others have said, KQss is the only thing that can really get to the river unless they are really really pot clingy. Combined with this guy's image, if he has KQ then we are a pay off wizard here all day.
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07-20-2013 , 01:00 PM
I’m terri-bad, so I expect to be told I’m way wrong, but I’d like to take a shot at this:
Aggro players at 1 2 don’t adjust, so he is capable of pulling off the same bluff as the other hand, regardless of your image.
Aggro villains don’t just call pre, flop, turn if they have a strong starting hand.
They are not very positionally-aware and would play KQs from the BB in this situation stronger.
Aggro villains consider a $10 open to be smallish, so they will call pre with their idea of a speculative hand like small pairs or J9 off or even garbage like Q6 suited...but reraise with a big hand.

Villain probably puts you on AK, AJ, AT or pocket 99 and thinks he can rep the Q on the river and get you to fold. Or, he has the Q and thinks he’s getting value for his str8.

Or, he made 2 pair with his J9, J8 type garbage and is scaring you off of your AK or low set. Or, he’s bluffing with 22-66.

While we’re only really scared of KQ spades, I just can’t believe he hasn’t reraised sooner with it, especially due to your too small turn bet. Not just because of the limited combos, I have a hard time believing he has KQ because he played it so passively.

So, to me it feels like a bluff or an attempt to “trap” you with a hand he made on the flop or turn, but got coolered by your straight.

But, since you posted the hand, he must have shown up with KQoff with maybe the K spades. If so, maybe he’s not as aggro as you think and he’s just bad, as others have said.

Next time, bet 50 on the turn and laugh to yourself when he rivers only 2pair and you make your str8. As played, I guess you shrug and call.
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07-20-2013 , 01:27 PM
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Originally Posted by snails
Villian just sat down about 2 orbits ago
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Originally Posted by snails
If villian has been paying attention to my play he would have noticed that I have not played a hand since he has sat down except for blinds because of terrible cards.
Since others have already explained that this is a snap-call, I'll comment on this.

The fact that you haven't played a hand in 2 orbits doesn't say much. Tom Dwan may not play a hand for 2 orbits. Even maniacs get a bad run of cards for 30-40 minutes.

If you think that the villain should think you're a tight player because you haven't played in 18 hands, you're giving players, especially $1/$2 players, way too much credit for paying attention to what you are doing. As in all areas of life, people aren't paying as much attention to you as you think they are.
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