1/2 NL. Sunday morning 10am. Most players at the table are still there from the night before. I've been at the table for about an hour and have worked my $200 BI up to $375, mostly from getting QQ in preflop against a $125 stack. Other than that have just been taking down smaller pots by raising pre and cbetting flop.

V in this hand has a huge stack, $1500+. He's been drinking and very talkative. He has only been in one memorable hand since I've been at the table. V opens to 12 UTG. 2 players call. Flop is KK8r. Checks to BTN who bets 20. V calls and it goes heads up to the turn. Turn comes 6x. Checks around. River is 4x. V bets 50 into ~70 pot and BTN calls. V shows 44 for a full house and BTN angrily shows KT. V then goes on to tell BTN he shouldn't have checked the turn and the two argue for a few minutes.

OTTH
Effective stacks $375.
EP limps.
H makes it $12 from CO with 76.
V calls from SB. Limper folds.

Flop ($26): J53

V checks
H bets $15
V calls

Turn ($51): K

V checks
H bets $35
V tanks for a minute and makes it $90
H?

Did you have a plan when you bet this turn?

There are many worse hands and drawing hands that V can make this play with. I think this is a pretty easy call, some may even advocate a raise.

fold a spade river, call just about everything else. Sometimes bet/raise non spade A,Q,T,9


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Jam for value against this player type. You are ahead of so many hands that he would do this for value with like sets/2pairs that even if he's never bluffing its probably +EV, so if he's ever spazzing out (which seems like what a player like him would sometimes do), you're printing money.

I see no point in raising. What's he calling with that we beat? If he's terrible, maybe a set or two pair, but that's so unlikely (KJ?). I call and evaluate river.

:grunch:

I think i just ship it at this point. V could be doing this (and possibly pay you off) with all sets, two pairs, straight draws, pair with a redraw, etc.

I'm shipping now because I want the money to go in before the river has a chance to kill my action.

Easy flat. Paired & spade rivers are bad.

call

All in. There's so much hero beats here. The times the villain actually has a higher flush here will be far outnumbered by the time he just shows up 1 pair plus the A️.

If hero just calls and a spade shows up it will either kill the action, or give the villain the winning hand.


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obvious call call spot, goodluck if he jams river

Ship it against this villain. Going broke against a bigger flush.

He could easily have the naked As, 2 pair, combo draws and bluffs. If a spade hits the river and doesn't improve him it still either kills our action or allows a drunk guy to bluff us off the best hand.

Given that we led every street he is less likely to put us on a flush.

I'm seriously trying to figure out why you guys think V is such a fish/donkey/whatever that he'll call off ~150bb on a three-flush board vs. H with two pair or the naked As? Maybe a set, but I doubt that, too. This is the turn, not the flop.

The 44 hand was not played badly and does not show any signs that he'll call here. He raised pre w/ a small pocket pair, floated the flop vs. a BTN bet (could have been trying to steal), checked turn, and hit river. Not a bad play. BTN is the bad player in that hand!

Turn is a call.

I'm playing for stacks on non-spade/non-pair rivers.

I agree with your post. I don´t see how you come to the conclusion of shoving though. Bolded part is a reason to flat to keep the BS parts of his range in.

I think you have to call there. This could be--by your description--a guy who gets high off of getting others to fold. I've met tons of them on the boats in Indiana.

I don't think in terms of starting stack (150bb) once we are at the point of facing a turn raise. The pot has grown exponentially and Vs will think in terms of how much it is to call off relative to current pot. Most LLSNL players think the nut flush draw is awesome and will happily "gamble" especially once they have semibluffed a nice chunk. Not to mention when a V is playing a stack 4-5x the size of Hero's he's more tempted to simply "go for it".

His flop calling range is probably any piece and if he picked up any equity OTT he could easily c/r.

People don't like to fold. Our shove can definitely work as a value bet against his range and folding out some inferior hands with a vulnerable baby flush wins a nice pot and is not terrible.

You should be jamming turn here to get value from his 2p's, sets, and mainly flush draws which he'll be folding to when he misses river. You can call and induce some bluffs on river when he misses especially since you're in position (which can be a slightly more profitable play if you know V will bluff jam/ value jam with worse hands on river when the fourth spade doesn't roll off). And besides, even if he has a better flush, you have the redraw to the straight flush. EZ game

Results: I ended up shoving. I felt at the time that he might pay me off with worse hands that would not put more money in the pot if unimproved on the river (mostly the NFD). He angrily folded after a few seconds and exposed the J. He later claimed he also held the J...not sure I believe him.

Minor points, but it's ~150bb now; H started with ~185bb. It's a $325 bet (what V sees, only $235 more, I realize, but the stack is $325) into a $176 pot. It's a good size bet in a 1/2 game no matter what your stack size. I see most hands that don't have us beat folding here, which might be a good thing. I'm just disagreeing with the posters who think two pair, naked big spades or a set is calling here.

lol if that´s true you got an excellent result

1) I disagree that most players fold sets easily on 3-flush boards with a card to come. I also feel that people call with incorrect odds to the NFD too often and if the NFD is combined with a pair or whatever no way they fold easily.

2) Are you saying that if you hypothetically knew V had a set, the NFD or even 2 pair that it is correct to slow play your small flush?

1) A few posters were using villain description as a reason for him to call a large turn shove with two pair, a set, or nut flush draw, and I completely disagree. Nothing in OP leads to this conclusion. There are some players out there who will correctly fold here.

2) If there is a chance he'll call a bet on the river or better yet take a stab after his check/raise, yes, slow play your flush. We are more than a 60% favorite with one card to come, and that's assuming the best he can have, which he says he folded. We are a big favorite against AsKx or KJ or even KK, and he might make a crying call on the river. (Of course, he should have only KJ here, so makes shoving the turn even worse. What on earth can he call with that we beat?)

I think this is a clear call, he could have you beat, but he may also have the bare ACE and be semi-bluffing. Fold any board with the 4 flush an it.

Yeah i think slow-playing turn here is best vs this villain, especially in position. His range is still wide enough that you won't get value shoving from a lot hands that he may bet the river with yet fold to your shove (AJx, two pair, set). If he has a flush (unlikely) and river blanks, we are getting stacked anyway. Only sets that make sense are 55 and 33 (seems like an auto 3-bet preflop from SB vs a cutoff raiser with JJ), so i don't see that many river cards that are awful. It is somewhat close, but long term I think the higher EV play versus this villain is to call turn and let him bet again on the river.

God, I don't miss 1/2NL.

Flat turn, eval non-spade rivers.