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05-14-2016 , 07:58 PM

dozer

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I'm in HJ in typical 1/2 live cash game.

Two to my right is MP, who has ~$600, has been loose but not crazy preflop but solid if not nitty post flop. Most of his chips came on a high hand win.

BTN has less than $20 and has been dopey.

SB is pretty new to the table. At the very least he's a solid aggressive player.

HJ is me, a little too conservative but trying to be solid.

MP opens for $10. I get 9Tcc and call. Other villains call.

Dealer peels a perfect J87r

SB open-spews for $25

MP calls.

Call ok here right?

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05-14-2016 , 08:04 PM

Evoxgsr96

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Yeah calling... What hand combos do you assign to SB's flop leading range in this spot?

Once SB bets it's pretty likely he is going to barrel the turn w/a high frequency (so we can raise almost all turns). Esp once MP villain and hero both flat in this spot...

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05-14-2016 , 08:04 PM

Nice_Guy_Eddie

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Yes, call. Don't blow away both your customers, one of whom openly bet into multiple players. You have position and the pot will be plenty big to play for stacks by the river.

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05-14-2016 , 08:30 PM

suited fours

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05-14-2016 , 09:30 PM

jake

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I like the call. Tempting to min-raise to build it a little - and I wouldn't hate that. But agree that there's more risk of losing value than having a scare card

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05-15-2016 , 04:17 AM

DTLB

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OP, what is your stack size? Need to know in order to A) see whether your call pre was ok or not and B) determine the best line after the flop.

Also, what is SB stack size? Does open spew mean he donk bet or he shoved? If he shoved, that means you had two shorties behind you when you faced MP's raise. That makes calling the raise extremely iffy because either one of them could have shoved pre and you'd be forced to fold and surrender 5 BBs, or call off even more money with T-high.

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05-15-2016 , 07:52 AM

MikeStarr

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Need stack sizes to be sure, but Im most likely raising here. There's lots of pair and gutshot hands, 2 pair hands, sets, AJ, KJ that will call. The pot is already kinda big and people dont like to fold in general.

Depending on stack sizes, I make it $60

PS..where do they let you add your high hand money onto your stack and go over the max buy in? Or is this an uncapped game?

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05-15-2016 , 08:16 AM

iraisetoomuch

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$65 here.
Get some fat value.

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05-15-2016 , 10:17 AM

dozer

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Originally Posted by DTLB

My bad for not putting it in earlier. I was at ~$500, SB had ~$200

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05-15-2016 , 11:42 AM

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t0pb1ll1n

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Raise flop I think. There's 15/47 cards which may shut down action (9, T) or even make us wary (J, 8, 7) which is worth considering with 2 other players in the pot.
Raise and get ready to commit on turn - u have eff 500 vs mp so u need to start building the pot. Slow play is not right here as too much variance and not a nutted <meaning invincible, obv it is nutted on flop> hand.
Btw is one of the flop a club?

Last edited by t0pb1ll1n; 05-15-2016 at 11:43 AM. Reason: added <comment>

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05-15-2016 , 12:28 PM

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dozer

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No clubs on the flop.

So how much would be too much on the flop? $70? $90? $100?

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05-15-2016 , 01:08 PM

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DeathCabForTootie

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This deep we HAVE to raise. Make it $70-75.

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05-15-2016 , 01:20 PM

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t0pb1ll1n

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So BTN called pf n then (probably) calls allin after u act OTF?

Pot is $40 pf?

Sb bets 25 + 1 call (mp) so pot = 90

I like a raise to 60-90 as we can still get stacks in by river but don't price out most TP/draw kind of hands?

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05-15-2016 , 03:43 PM

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DTLB

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Originally Posted by dozer

My bad for not putting it in earlier. I was at ~$500, SB had ~$200

With these stack sizes, I would raise. You want to start building the pot since you and MP are $500 effective. Plus you want to raise before action killing cards come, like J, T or 9. If MP has KK or QQ, an Ace will slow him down. If you see a 7 or 8, you'll start to worry someone filled up.

Raise to $75. Put SB to a decision for his stack. Give both players a chance to reraise you.

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05-15-2016 , 04:14 PM

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AsianNit

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Is raising the flop still a good idea if MP is such a post-flop nit that he will likely fold all one-pair hands, even an overpair, to a raise?

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05-15-2016 , 04:58 PM

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CoranMoran

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I think calling here loses a ton of value.
With the nuts, the goal is to get entire stacks in by the river.
Being this deep, a raise is required on the flop.

Your hand will lose vale every street after the flop.
- Scare cards will give villains more reason to go away
- You will no longer have the nuts.

A raise here is necessary to maximize value.
The sizing should be the only issue in debate

--CM

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05-16-2016 , 01:52 PM

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Nice_Guy_Eddie

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Originally Posted by t0pb1ll1n

Good point. Raising is better.

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