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10-13-2013 , 04:00 PM

Marty25

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Villian brand new to table with wierd betting patterns.

Villian raises to 5 from CO.

SB, Hero 3 bets to 25.

Villian 4 bets to 50, hero calls.

Flop: 8s 9c Kh

Hero checks, vill bets 30.
Hero calls.

Turn 2d

Hero checks. Villian bets 30.

Hero..?

Pot is about 150.

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10-13-2013 , 04:25 PM

wewa925

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super weird line if he has AA, KK, or AK. x/f.

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10-13-2013 , 04:31 PM

Marty25

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Yeah so I called the turn thinking nothing big made sense and an ace came on the river. It went x/x and he showed AQ suited and won the pot.

After a few more hands it became obv when he was weak or strong. But that hand threw me. I felt like there I should have either got it in PF or x/f the flop. It was hard playing against this unknown OOP after this wirrd min-raise PF.

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10-13-2013 , 06:11 PM

PsychoStalkingFish

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No clue of stack sizes, but if this guy appears to be a megafish I don't mind getting a starting stack size in with him preflop. As played his bets are so small weak that I'm not folding. It feels like a JJ type hand by a player that doesn't realize he should be checking back. When he bets 30 on flop, I call. When he bets 30 on turn I either call or raise for value because that bet is so weak it is rarely a King.

Anyways, I think you played it fine. Just unlucky 3 outter on river.

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10-13-2013 , 06:56 PM

jambre

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Fold to c-bet

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10-13-2013 , 09:03 PM

Steve00007

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If I'm folding it's on the flop, not the turn. If I call the flip, I'm calling the turn because that's such a weak bet and it's possible that villain will check the river.

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10-13-2013 , 09:21 PM

Marty25

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Originally Posted by Steve00007

If I'm folding it's on the flop, not the turn. If I call the flip, I'm calling the turn because that's such a weak bet and it's possible that villain will check the river.

Kinda my thought in my turn call. I told myself im x/f if an ace hits and x/calling anything else pending his river bet sizing.

Even though my possible mistake calling flop is compounded by calling the turn his bet sizing changed everything.

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10-13-2013 , 09:54 PM

BigSlick2006

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Work on your math.

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10-13-2013 , 10:58 PM

Marty25

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Originally Posted by BigSlick2006

Work on your math.

Sorry its 155 before turn cb but end sum it's 30 for 185. Thanks for your wasted time in replying to my post.

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10-13-2013 , 11:01 PM

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Hardball47

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It's 1/2. Most plays are straightforward. If it looks weak, the vast majority of the time it is. The correct move was to C/R to 80.

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10-13-2013 , 11:01 PM

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Marty25

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But I understand. You have 5 posts and are just trolling to get your post count up.

Work on your constructive criticism and dont waste both yours and other posters time.

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10-13-2013 , 11:13 PM

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Marty25

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Originally Posted by Hardball47

It's 1/2. Most plays are straightforward. If it looks weak, the vast majority of the time it is. The correct move was to C/R to 80.

Hine site 20/20. In the hand ill admit I was confused and gave the villian to much credit, and then didnt listen to my gut saying he could be strong. I aggree with the he c/r though

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10-13-2013 , 11:45 PM

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MotionCity

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What are the stack sizes? Calling a 4bet OOP is pretty yuck. Whether we shove pre depends on stack sizes. AP on flop fold to cbet. AP on turn should be raising that weak bet.

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10-13-2013 , 11:55 PM

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peac b the journey

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Trust your reads son... Raise or fold otf

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10-13-2013 , 11:58 PM

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Jay S

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Please post stack sizes in the future. It makes it much easier to comment on the hand.

Assuming you're reasonably deep, I'd probably call the small flop bet, but don't think folding is unreasonable (remember you still have to play two more streets OOP...). c/r flop is spew; he'll fold with worse and call with better. As played, obv not folding to that turn bet.

If effective stacks are less than ~200, just shove pf. If he has AA/KK you're often getting stacks in postflop anyway, and if he has anything else you're just letting him play somewhat close to correctly.

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10-14-2013 , 12:07 AM

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wewa925

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Originally Posted by Hardball47

It's 1/2. Most plays are straightforward. If it looks weak, the vast majority of the time it is. The correct move was to C/R to 80.

Lol so results oriented

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10-14-2013 , 01:04 AM

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Marty25

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Originally Posted by Jay S

I was at 600 and he was at 290ish PF

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10-14-2013 , 01:29 AM

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javi

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Never in my life have I seen a minraise PREFLOP equal anything but stupidity. Not to be confused with POSTFLOP minraising which is ALWAYS the nuts. You 3bet $25 and he 4bets $25? **** him. I probably just 5bet ship it pre.

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10-14-2013 , 01:37 AM

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jambre

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Originally Posted by javi

Dat spaz

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10-14-2013 , 04:32 AM

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d_saxton

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Originally Posted by Hardball47

It's 1/2. Most plays are straightforward. If it looks weak, the vast majority of the time it is. The correct move was to C/R to 80.

Check-raising is terrible unless you have x-ray vision and can see his A-Q.

Anyways, I have a hard time playing these situation sometimes because you're playing against someone who has no idea how to bet their hands or read yours. I'd usually fold the turn since the other guy should "know" I have something reasonable when I check-call the flop, but I probably overestimate their thinking ability and end up folding the best hand a fair share of the time.

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10-14-2013 , 11:43 AM

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Jay S

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Originally Posted by d_saxton

Check-raising is terrible unless you have x-ray vision and can see his A-Q.

Even if you KNOW he has AQ, it's still not clear to me that avoiding being 3-outed outweighs giving him the chance to bluff at it again on the turn or river.

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