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1/2 - NL QQ Multi-Way Flop Decision 1/2 - NL QQ Multi-Way Flop Decision

11-15-2014 , 01:06 AM
1/2 NL at Maryland Live on a Thursday night, around 10 PM, 9 handed

Hero (SB) ~ $225: Early 20's white male that has a pretty TAG image at the moment. Only been at the table a couple of orbits and took down a few pots without a showdown.

Villain 1 (BB) ~ 300: Friend of mine that usually stays out of my way but will play pairs and big suited cards versus me.

Villain 2 (UTG+1) ~ $300: Mid 30's Indian male that hasn't played many hands since I've sat down. Clean cut and dressed well, so seems like a thinking player.

Villain 3 (UTG+3) ~ $19: Older Asian guy that just lost a big hand.

Villain 2 leads for $11. Villain 3 shoves his stack for $19. Folds around to Hero who calls $19 with Q Q. Villain 1 calls.

I'll start out saying obviously the flatting pre is pretty bad. Knowing the original raiser couldn't raise, I was trying to disguise my hand essentially heads up versus him. I didn't expect Villain 1 to tag along which ruined my plan and obviously sets me up for having problems later.

Flop: ($70, after rake) J 10 6

Hero checks
Villain 1 (BB) leads for $30. He always fast plays and protects his decent hands. Top pair, two pair, an overpair are very common here. He doesn't usually trap, but will from time to time if he hits a set. This is almost never an open ending blocking bet, or some bluffy AK type bet.

Villain 2 (UTG+1) quickly removes a stack of red birds and sticks out $85.

Hero???

My gut instinct was an easy fold but I am having trouble laying down the overpair. Can Villain 2 have some type of straight draw here or is he almost never bluffing? Pretty sure Villain 1 doesn't have us beat, but he's still a factor.

Thanks.
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11-15-2014 , 01:18 AM
Since vill 2 couldn't reraise pre-flop, and since he was UTG, he has a lot of strong hands in his range. AA/KK/JJ/TT are all well within his range. I don't think he's doing this with like AT or worse (and I don't think JT is a huge part of his range given your description). That leaves basically AJ/KQ that you beat and AA/KK/JJ/TT that beats you (with 1 combo of QQ that you chop with).

With the additional villain, I may actually fold this, though I don't like it that much.
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11-15-2014 , 02:25 AM
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Originally Posted by riverfish1
I may actually fold this, though I don't like it that much.
bungled preflop. two villains showing strength, no redraw. cheap lesson, fold.
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11-15-2014 , 02:07 PM
When you didn't reraise preflop you turned your QQ into a set mining operation. You know V2 can't raise and is never folding. If the SB and BB are smart enough to realize that also, they know they have good odds for set mining and likely to come along also. This is going at least 3 ways to the flop and possibly more. There are not a lot of flops that QQ like multiway. This should be a bet/fold to $50 in most situations.

As it happens V1 and V2 let you out cheaply. You can put some top pair hands in V1's range that you beat. If V1 had checked and V2 had lead there are a couple of possible hands you beat, when V2 raises V1 most of those are out. Add in the small chance that V3 actually has a big hand or hit the flop hard and this is an easy fold. The combined ranges for the 3 villains have you crushed.
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