1/3 NL

QJo on the button

The game has been rather laggy and the standard open has been between $15 and $25. Most stacks are over $500.

The Villain and I have a rather long history, he considers me a TAG and tricky, but more than a bit of a calling station. He thinks of himself as a TAG, because he does win a good amount. While he is mostly a TAG preflop, his post-flop skills seem lacking to me. Also important, he's lost the last few matchups we've been involved in and I felted him on the last one.

I've also been running poorly and am down about $100 over the last few hours.

Villain: $1200
Hero: $600

UTG (Villain) Opens 15, V2 calls, Hero calls with QJo, blinds fold

Pot $44 (after drop)
Flop KKTr
Villain bets $10, V2 folds, Hero calls

I paused for a moment here, not that I was thinking of folding, but because this bet was completely out of character for him. I don't recall him leading a pot like this for less than a 1/2 PSB.

Pot $64
Turn 7r

Villain checks, Hero Checks

River 9

Villain bets $45

I am very suspicious of the bet, as I think, he thinks he has the best hand. But, I'm pretty sure he's also afraid of me.

Hero?

Interesting spot. V probably has a lot more KX that’ll call a raise then boats or quads that have you killed. I’d make it $130 or so and then really have to think if V 3b’s river. Could absolutely think AK / KQ is good here.

Raise to 130/ fold to 3bet.

Go ahead and raise large, something like $175 - 250 given your description. I'm not sure what we do if he jams over our raise.

Also - its hard to be viewed as a tag + tricky + calling station, so your table image reads don't seem very reliable.

And fold pre.

Preflop- fold or 3bet
Flop- call ok. I see a lot of Kx do this to keep people interested. Getting direct odds in any event.
Turn- fine whatever.
River- B/f.

Easy fold pf to a UTG raise from a TAG player.

As played on the river, raise. He'll call trips for sure and probably some other pairs. If he 3 bets, fold.

AP, raise to $190, probably fold to a 3B.

Pre - vs. an UTG open and a call in between, fold.

Turn - might start a bluff at some freq ... if so, $25 with a plan on barreling most rivers.

Preflop is OK given how deep you are but it's a bit thin. Raising an UTG open from a tight player with QJo is a bluff but the occasional bluff here is OK.
Flop depends on what you know about villain. There are certain villains I would fold to because KT/TT make up a good portion of their range. There are a few I raise because the small bet is never KX+, it's something weak probing the situation. Mostly I take the cheap odds also.
River is a 3 bet/fold given villain's description. $150 is a good starting point.

Agree with most posters: pre is a fold for me from a tight UTG.

Flop is fine, but I'm suspicious. Turn is obvious. River is a raise/fold. I actually go small -- $100 to $120. Easier for him to sigh call.

Exactly all this. Especially the part about reads. Probably just fold to river 3bet.

Pre is very bad IMO. Trivial fold. River is the clearest raise of all time but flop/turn might be interesting points to consider aggression. I'm betting turn at a very high frequency with my range so might as well do it with QJo too to fold out A-high airballs and sometimes small pocket pairs.

I’m making it $200 on the river targeting Kx and folding to reraise.


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Preflop is just a fold. You say you are a tag but this isn't tag preflop. It's loose passive.

I play a significantly wider range than you do (35/30/10ish) and I'm folding pre unless the guys a drooler.

AP raise/fold river. I'd go with about 125. It's a small bet but he's actually really polarized here. He's got a fh quads or a random pair. I don't think live LLSNL players have trips very often with this line

If he's truly TAG pre then you have to fold QJo otb to his UTG raise.

As played, to me the river is a raise to around $125 so gets about 3:1 on a call and then evaluate if 3!.

A tight UTG range has 1 combo of KTs, 1 combo of KK and 3 combos of TT.... what else beats us? Maybe he gets here with 3 combos of 99 at some frequency but does he even 3! that on the river???

If V can potentially overvalue his 8 combos of AK then maybe a call is in order but from your description he doesn't sound like the type to turn trips into a bluff so AK is probably all you beat when he 3!s the river.

Fold pre and it's not even close. That is by far the most important point of this hand.

I would bet turn and raise river $200.

Preflop isn’t terrible explicitly because we are button and we aren’t the first caller. I’m not particularly devoted to any of the raise/call/fold camp

We are wicked capped here unless we sandbag the turn with the nuts, which seems unlikely. If this guy has a bluff button, we may have to prepare to call a 3 bet


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What do you think is calling a 200 raise that we beat? I can't come up with any hand that checks the turn after betting 1/4 on flop other than monsters that we lose to

Is it too nitty to just fold preflop even though we're deep and on the Button? Cuz that's what I do.

I'm ok with the flop call for this price but obviously have to proceed super cautiously if we hit cuz of so many combos crushing us. There's actually very few worse combos (KQ/KJ) that are going to be willing to give much action if we do hit.

Could consider starting to semi-bluff the turn. Although we do block the main combos we're looking to bluff off (QQ/JJ). And I also never hate checking back the turn to realize equity.

We're so deep we could raise/fold the river easily enough. But the only hand we're really targeting is Kx (maybe AA), and it seems to be such a weird line for Kx. So I don't have a problem with just calling.

ETA: No one else thinks that the mega small flop bet / check turn line is a super weird line for Kx to take? I just don't see as much Kx here as others do at this point, so not as pumped about raising. Especially since we can't rep any obvious busted draws (and the only real draw got there). Although could be some small value in not showing our cards.

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Could have Kx or a big pair, I really don't what these guys' thought processes look like

Lol read my post five above yours. I agree with everything you said. V has as close to zero Kx as it gets

People hate folding AA and we haven't played the hand like we have a king so that's why I'm raising small

Hoping he has Kx is ambitious at best, dillusional at worst and a big pair isn't calling a raise that big

Preflops a coin flip for me. I think it lands fold for me, but suited, I would probably lean more call on the button.

Flop downbet makes me think K, but the turn check baffles me. Does he really take this line with a King here, even on a true rainbow? I am with GG/drowski here. Unless he maybe just wanted to float here with K7, but that doesn't make sense pre.

My guess is he has AA-JJ. I like the raise, fold to a 3 bet strat.

The small flop bet and turn check makes me think that Villain is trying to induce aggression on our part, likely holding what he considers to be a big hand.
A big hand could be AK/KQ. With this line his plan may have been to check/raise on the turn.
By the same logic, he can have KT and TT. Which is why I’d probably fold to a 3bet, unless I’d tagged Villain as excessively wild/clueless.

IIRC you're mainly an online player which explains your thoughts here. People love to slow play live and are also incapable of folding top pair/big pairs on boards like these in lots of spots.

Pre is a major deviation. I really don't think it's even moderately close, but I would like to hear arguments for calling. I can't imagine 3 betting either.