1/2 NL Typical limpfest with a few raised pots that rarely went to show down.

Hero: Playing tight and mostly aggressive, although has limped several pots. Has folded top pair to turn/river aggression 3-4 times, so potentially seen as tight/weak.

Villain: Seems very competent. Plays a bit looser pre with a mix of raising or limping/calling. Has been most aggressive with turn and river play. without showdowns, hard to say what he was doing that with, but has won all pots so far when gotten this far (including 2 vs me).

Effective stacks ~230.

Hero QsJd

Early position raise to $10, one caller, hero calls in MP and villain calls in CO.

Flop (~$35):

7d 8d 3d

Checks around

Turn:

7d 8d 3d 4d

Check to Hero who bets $30

V raises to $90

Hero ?

Fold pre

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Just fold. This is the nuts 99% of the time.

Fold. I would prefer a x/c ott

Fold.

Why are you betting pot on the turn? Do you really think you can get two streets of value out of a worse flush? I probably check turn then value bet the river if checked too.

Hero folds.

I can live with the call pre. But we whiff the flop, whiff the turn. We really can't be thinking of doing anything but folding.

Edit: we have J-high flush so not quite whiff. Still a fold.

Lets get real here, JQ off suit is garbage and a J high flush on a 4 flush boards is worthless.

Edit: fold pre, check fold turn.

Fold pre.

I'd check ott and make the Td think he's good when we bet otr.


Along with the other thread you made, JJ, why don't you play hands against the 8 idiots at the table and not the one "very competent" guy?

I like playing with villains such as OP

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dont bet the turn

Folds.
We don't know what his range is.
We don't have a strong hand.
We don't have a plan for the hand.
We don't have a way to win the hand without flopping gin.
We are likely dominated by a reasonable EP raising range.

I prefer a check ott

I think PF is ok

Once we whiff the flop we should be giving up, a Jhi flush draw is meh unless V flashed his hand somewhere. We should NOT be betting the turn and the plan maybe should be to call something reasonable on the river

:grunch:

Fold pre.

If it was unopened you could make the case to raise. But facing a raise and a call, and likely another call or two behind, just fold.

Flop is played perfectly.

Turn: I'd prefer a check here. The flush is obvious so we're not getting paid off by much that we beat. Give them another street to take a stab at the pot with worse. By betting you're giving the one guy at the table that's actually playing aggressively a chance to raise you off the pot in an obvious semi-bluf spot, when he's got position on you.

Could he be bluffing? Yes.

Is he bluffing often enough to call? No.

There are 3 diamonds that beat you that are completely in his range the way the hand played.


So fold now.


This is a spot where sometimes a live read can help you figure out if anyone has a flush by the way they check their hole cards. Don't put too much stock in it, but keep it in mind.

thanks for the replies, good stuff as usual.

i butchered this hand for the most part.

agree pre was not good.

not clear in game if this type of V had bluffs in this spot or would be raising with a lower diamond.

consensus here is this V had the nuts majority of time.

Hero shoved (awful) and got shown the nuts of course

Wow!

No way!


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qfmft

I thought "fold pre" from thread title.

Then I thought "why are you playing crap oop against a competent player?"

Just how much do you hate money?

lol, yes it was bad.

i think it was triggered by wife's text of "we need to leave now" before being dealt hand..

Everyone knows that wife texts to go further devalue QJo pf, so pf fold is even more clear cut.

Fold pre.

As played easy fold to raise.

Why is your wife even with you?

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Nah I'm going the other way. Wife/gf texts piss the everloving shti out of me. They throw you off and introduce emotions when you least need them.

Examples:

Gf: "You know what I miss", after no response, "We need to talk."
Me: "Don't talk to me right now."

Gf: "I really miss you and want to see you."
Me: "Not while I'm at poker."

check call or check fold turn, go for thin river value if checked to.