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1/2 NL Q8 suited on the button. Awkward river. 1/2 NL Q8 suited on the button. Awkward river.

12-08-2014 , 06:39 PM
Hey guys,

Still very new to live poker.

Hero: ($450) Plays tag, but on this table everyone would limp pre flop so I started raising if I was in position. So people at this table must of seen me as pretty loose. Only shown the nuts, haven't doubled barreled yet. Double up against a manic with kings.

V1: (104) middle age Asian guy. Bought in for a 100 has raised pre flop and shoved a few times. If you show weakness he will shove. But, then will check check check on a few hands.

V2: ($300) solid kid has only showed good hands. Said he was 19. Tag in my eyes.

Hero is on the button. With Q 8 diamonds. With 4 limpers in front of me. I raised to $10. 5 callers.

Flop: Jc 3d 10 s

Pot: 60
V2SB) leads out for 7. Everyone folds to V1 in front of me. I call thinking I'm getting a pretty good price for my 9 to complete my straight so I call.

Turn: Kd
Pot: 81

V2: leads out for 12. V1 calls. I just flatted here thinking now I have a straight draw and flush draw.
117
River: 2d. V2 bets 20. V1 shoves all in for 75. Hero???
1/2 NL Q8 suited on the button. Awkward river. Quote
12-08-2014 , 06:43 PM
Call and hope V2 calls as well. Shoving makes it hard for V2 to call with non-flush hands.
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12-08-2014 , 08:15 PM
raise more pre raise flop raise turn shove river
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12-08-2014 , 10:32 PM
This is a weird hand. With 5 limpers in front of you you can either raise big like $17-$20 if you think you will get 0-1 callers. Or limp behind and see what develops. Folding also seems acceptable. Just depends on stacks and table dynamics. Raising to only $10 is sure to bring along several callers and you pricing them in. Now you have a hand that does not have equity over their range. The point of raising preflop is not just for position, but for value. Q8s does not have value over any kind of range of your opponents and will just get you in trouble in the long run. Keep the pot small and limp behind IMO.

As played, you are getting a great price to call but you also have some reverse implied odds as a 9 can also make a higher straight. V2 either doesn't know how to bet size properly or is making a small leading bet for "information" or to control the pot size. If you were heads up you COULD take this for weakness and raise but since V1 came along just calling sounds better.

When the turn hit, you are still get a great price on your draw and your flush draw is very disguised. Calling is fine.

On the river, again your flush is disguised and it is highly unlikely either villian has you beat. V2 probablly made a two pair or maybe a straight. V1 isn't calling because as you said he is tight and his betting patterns signal a one pair hand. Either way, I think something like a min raise on the river makes the most sense. You are always getting called by V1 who is pot committed and you also want max value from V2 who is tight and will probablly fold for 75 anyway, but is he is calling 75 then he will likely call 150 or if you are lucky you will induce a shove depending on his agressive level. Either way, the only hand that beats you here are Ad10d or AdJd and if they have that well then nice hand but in my book I will take my chances on that. Now if I am something like 200bb+ deep hen maybe I will just call.
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12-08-2014 , 10:42 PM
Fold pre
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12-09-2014 , 01:02 AM
Yeah, I probably should of folded this hand and in most instances I would fold this hand. But, this table was playing really passive and I thought I could just pick up some easy money with position. Was surprised to see that many callers.

Another question before I post what I did. At the casino I play at this happens all the time. Say I raise to $15 and get 3 callers. Usually they will Donk bet like $10 bucks into a $60 pot should I just be just calling because the great odds or just raise them every time they do that ?
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12-09-2014 , 03:30 AM
I like to raise the flop because 7 is lol and we can barrel almsot any turn with equity.

a Q gives us TP, a 9 a stright, a D a flushdraw and an A a double gutter.

As played on river I flat and hope V2 overflats. He can never really have the NF unless its like specifically AJdd.

Call/fold river if v2 backships imo
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12-09-2014 , 08:05 PM
Thanks for the advice. I think I should of raised the turn looking back. I just called the $75 and V2 called as well.

V1: Jd 10d
V2: mucks
Hero: takes pot
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12-09-2014 , 08:44 PM
Be grateful V1 just called the flop!
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12-09-2014 , 10:44 PM
Min raise otr
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12-09-2014 , 11:22 PM
Just overlimp pre. Don't ****ing fold are you ****ing kidding me.

As played, raising flop is probably best, since we're rarely going to win this hand without bluffing at some point, and we can barrel a ton of cards at mentioned earlier. I wouldn't make it big though. Maybe just like $40 and bomb good turns (check back bad ones, ldo).

As played, definitely raise turn. So many outs and nobody seems all that interested in their hand on a sopping wet board.

OTR: I would raise. It's a nasty spot for villain with a worse hand because obviously we're never bluffing at the dry side, but he's not getting away from a flush. It's close enough that I would just flat the 9-high flush.
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