Hero - just lost a big pot, might seen as tilted, has $600 stack.

Villain - White dad, hasn't been out of line, always has goodies to show. $200 stack.

Several Limps, Villain on the left of me in BB, raises to 12, MP calls, Hero in SB calls with 97o.

Flop comes:

8 10 3 rainbow

Villain bets 20, Hero re-raises to 60, Villain Shoves, Hero?

I know you're supposed to fold pre on this one, but I did it anyways, because my thinking process was, villain has over pair or AK for sure, and if I hit a straight or 2 pair, I can easily stack him.

You're on a wrong mind set. Not only are you OOP, but you're trying to bust someone with 97o. Seriously, fold pre fold pre fold pre.

Even if you don't fold pre and take the line of "this guy is broadcasting he has a hand so all I need to do is hit 2 pair or better and bust him," why are you raising flop? Your straight would be really disguised with a 6, less so with a J. Regardless, I really dislike the checkraise. You even say you might be coming off as tilty; what FE did you expect to have raising this dry board? I don't think you thought this through as best you could, and it sounds like in the heat of the moment you let tilt get the best of you.

Fold pre flop.

Ok, sorry, I know you don't want to hear that.

Try this instead:

When action gets to you, politely get up from the table, walk away and just don't come back for 30-45 seconds. Then you are not folding your hand, the dealer is folding your hand, and you call tell everyone a sick story about how you had your monster hand folded pre flop by the dealer. You'll get lots of street cred.

You don't flop two pair or a straight 1 in 20 times. You are only getting 20:1 implied odds on your call.

And your hand sucks. And you are OOP. And sometimes even when you flop twp pair, you get counter fitted. Or sometimes you flop two pair on an A97r board, and you are drawing almost dead.

Based on your read this guy doesnt seem like he will cbet AK. This makes your flop c/r a spew. Just check call with drawing odds. Your fold equity against an overpair is never as good as you need it
be here.

Fold pre. Why are you raising him on the flop if you put him on AK or a big pair? Why are you raising without the knowing what you will do when he shoves(which is going to happen a good amount if you put him an over pair).

If you want to stack V than I'm sure you will have way better spots than this one.

Fold pre flop. That's it.

fold pre.. you wont hit often enough.. its just an awful spot to flat 97o

Other than completing the SB preflop before the raise, you messed up every decision point in this hand.

Here is one tip to stop your flop spew. Before you make this awful call preflop, you need to ask yourself whether you are calling to win the pot against a weak range or to win a stack against a strong range. In this case you clearly seem to have chosen option 2.

Once you decide your plan is to hit and win a stack, changing the plan to bluff the flop is spew. Make one plan and stick with it.

I used to do this kind of stuff a lot, it's not big and it's not clever! More importantly it's costing you money every time you do it!

You guys are right, I woulda folded this even if I wasn't tilted. I will pre-fold this hand from now on to stay outta trouble.

Please give me some examples of what hands you would call with in this situation, when you know your opponent is pocket pair / AJ+ ? Or any plans to take him out?

If you are up against someone who has TT+, AJ+ then call with AK, and 99-33 and set mine OOP for the most part.

But it's ok to just be folding against someone who has a tight opening range when you are OOP.

Everything in your read about villain and your perceived image at the table points this toward a 100% fold. If you're going to play suited one gappers you must be able to get 30 times the raise in implied odds for the call to be correct...as a general rule. V only has 200 in his stack, so not only are you not getting odds to make this call, but your cards are offsuit and you are out of position.

As played- there is not much value in check raising this flop as I just don't see you having much fold equity here. A conservative opponent that has consistently shown the goods is never opening anything marginal or mildly strong from the BB....they always have AKs, AKo, AQs (bottom of raising range) and TT+. If we're going to continue in this hand then a check call on the flop is the better play. If you bink you're straight on the turn it will be disguised and if we can accurately assume V has an overpair or set then we can check again and expect a sizable turn bet, which we can probably ship at that point and V will never fold.

For starters, you should never have a plan to take out a particular opponent....that ego will get you nowhere on the felt. Instead, you should be focusing on making good decisions all around, and picking good spots to make value hands.

But as for hands in this spot- small to medium pocket pairs and suited connectors are equitable. If you flop a set, straight, flush or a draw with enough equity, then you can get your money in and it will be correct. And those hands are easy to get away from if you whiff the flop.

For those that missed it, "this situation" means we completed our SB first, then the BB raised and it folded around to us.

In this situation, for me to call I'd probably only ever have a pocket pair that was too small to raise preflop with. Heads-up, getting 20:1 stack odds and out of position, suited connectors would be marginal at best, probably a small mistake to call. Set mine only.

20:1 for SC pre is actually right on point...at least according to Bart Hanson, and I give his advice a lot of respect.

I don't know what you mean by "right on point", but I think 20:1 is right on the borderline where it's not an obvious call or fold. Heads-up, out of position, I think this should probably be a fold.

If we had the button instead of the SB, then I think it's probably a call (if I had not already raised myself).

right on point according to Bart Hanson's 10, 20, 30 rule. If you haven't heard of it, then google the article, it's pure gold. As with any rule, there are deviations and adjustments that need to be made considering specific circumstances, but it's a good general rule to operate off of. But I agree that being OOP makes this a fold

I think enough people covered the fold pre part. If it was suited and you were IP, I might take a flop with it though if I was sure I had my opponent properly ranged on an over that he couldn't let go.

Now, for the as played part:

Flop: Check raise is bad. You are targeting a player with a defined range who isn't going away, and you are building the pot when you are behind. Wait till you hit then jam, and he will still pay you. A call would have been a perfectly acceptable play getting 2.75:1 and having at least that in implied odds when you hit.

The pot is now 284 and you have to call 128. You are getting ~2.2:1 on your money here. Your odds to hit are about 16% on the turn and if you miss another 16% of what's left, so lets just call it 30%. That means you need to be getting about 2.33:1 on your money to make it a breakeven call. You aren't, so you should just fold and move on.

Don't limp. BB did you a favor by punishing your bad play, and you doubled down by calling. You do understand SB is the nut worst position, right? Do yourself a favor and only play better hands from SB. And if youre comfortable playing a limp pot with said hand, its not a hand you want to play from SB.

Why check-raise? You've still only got 9-high. Why bloat the pot when you're oop, with a total draw? Fancy Play Syndrome.

As played, fold. Straight pot odds decision there.

OP, this is not necessarily a bad way of thinking. You've recognized a villain who you think will stack off with TP/OP and are looking for a situation in which you can oblige him the opportunity to make this mistake. This is a good first step.

The only problem is that you would be hard pressed to find a worse spot than this. We are heads up and OOP, we have an os1g, and we are at 100x effective.

All things considered, limp/calling this hand with the intention of getting lucky is a recipe for disaster, because we will be bleeding chips over and over and over.

So if a deep stacked megafish open limps in MP with ATC, what are you doing with T9o or K6s next to act at a passive table? Are playing these hands "good decisions all around" or part of a plan to take out a megafish? Or are you actually folding?

:grunch:

Why do you assume people have children? Your V descriptions and reads may need work.

You're in the SB, OOP on every street ... with a ****TY hand. Fold. Your thinking is completely flawed here. You're not getting anywhere NEAR the right odds to call and stack off on a straight or two pair flop. You need closer to 30x the raise behind.

On the flop your raise is bad. It serves pretty much no purpose. It's not getting him to fold, and it's costing you more to draw. There's an argument to be made for flatting the $20.

Once he shoves you should fold. You're not getting the right price to draw here.

I'd argue that for a *lot* of players, simply folding every single SB without looking at their cards would be a good strategy. At least better than whatever they're already doing.

When I describe them as dad, it easily puts them in a 40-50 yr old area.

What if me and villain swapped positions? I'm in position now, do I still call with pocket pairs AJ+ when i put him on overpair or AK ? Or can I call with more variety of hands now just because I'm in position?

I find that race and dress and demeanor at the table are easily as important as age when profiling a villain.

Yes, you can call wider in position. IP you will have better opprotunities to bluff and value bet based on your opponent's actions, so you can make up for some of the shortcomings of the strength of any given hand. If you've ranged him as tight as you mention (AK +high pair) you can call preflop and win when he misses, but you still shouldn't be punting off with a stupid raise on the flop.