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06-19-2014 , 07:38 AM
Interested to hear comments on my line here, esp. on the flop/turn.

Background:

Hero: Button ($350ish and covers) 30s white male - 2nd orbit at the table. Played snug first orbit and had won a few pots w/o showdown. Hero plays here 1 or 2 nights a week depending but has never sat with villain. Had raised the pot prior to the hand after Villain had open limped and took it down without a flop.

Villain: CO ($200ish) 20s Indian/Arab male. Baseball cap. Regular in the room, was waiting for a seat to open in reg-infested 1/3 game and gave off the impression he was slumming it playing 1/2. Very impatient and demonstrative. Lost 50/bb pot when he slowplayed TPTK and let a short stack river a set on the river by checking the flop and the turn and then hero calling a big overbet shove. Hero thinks that villain thinks that he is a much better player than reality might show and will only lose pots when hero gets super lucky.

Preflop:

Folds around to V, who limps sloppily. Just kind of non-chalantly rainbows 2chips in. The dealer, nor the table appreciated the splashing pot.

Hero picks up AhKh and raises to $12.

SB folds and BB folds.

Villain makes the call, visibly agitated that I raised again.

Flop: ($27)

J 2 7

Villain checks and hero cbets $15. On this flop vs. this villain I was not adverse to playing a big pot and was ok with getting stacks in ASAP.

Villain quickly raises to $30. At this point I assign villains range to Jx, 22-1010and the random heart-combo which I have drawing dead.

Hero re-raises to $85 and villain calls.

Turn: ($197)

3

Villain checks and hero checks behind.

This is where I am not sure of the ideal line vs. this type of villain who is not going to want to fold but could potentially get away from the Jx that I want him coming to the river with if my sizing isn't correct.

River: ($197)

10

Villain leads $60.

Results later but interested to see thoughts on the flop sizing and options for the turn besides checking back.
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06-19-2014 , 08:15 AM
I don't like the flop reraise. Villain seems like the sticky "I don't respect you enough to ever fold" type and your still drawing on flop. Villain's stack isn't so deep that you need to build the pot and your going to be hating life later if the board bricks out and villain wins hand with a middle pair.

As played, just put villain in on turn. Villain has way less then 1/2 pot sized stack, either he has something he isn't folding or not. After he calls the flop reraise, he should have enough sets in his range that letting him chase for free is bad, smaller flushes are going broke no matter what line you take and other hands either believe you or they don't. The only hands where checking help you here are the rare ones that hit two pair+ on the river but don't make a boat.
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06-19-2014 , 08:15 AM
Flatting his flop c/r has to be better than 3b. You're not folding out any better hands vs this player and he probably doesn't have much of a bluff range.

with only a half pot size bet left Ott, I think you should definitely shove. Checking back is good if you think he'll get away from all of his Jx, though. But that wont be true of most people
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06-19-2014 , 08:49 AM
Since V is a bit of a station I think flatting flop is best. Turn check is good imo since there are so few hands that can call and there's only 1/2 psb left so might as well give him room to spaz or commit himself.
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06-19-2014 , 11:14 AM
i like the flop raise, if he is sticky, fine, we should be a mathematical favourite over a weak range otf.
as played, +1 to shove turn.
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06-19-2014 , 11:23 AM
I'm going to agree with everybody here, shove turn. But nh, looks like u got paid
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06-19-2014 , 11:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Duke0424
Flatting his flop c/r has to be better than 3b. You're not folding out any better hands vs this player and he probably doesn't have much of a bluff range.

with only a half pot size bet left Ott, I think you should definitely shove. Checking back is good if you think he'll get away from all of his Jx, though. But that wont be true of most people
The 3bet on the flop was certainly something that I thought about. I wanted to take a line that this guy probably would rarely, if ever, see from the regs he normally plays. I wanted to make my hand look less like a flush draw and more like a Jx or even QQ+

I should have mentioned that when I raised the flop I was 100% percent putting him in on any non-heart turn.

When the heart came, I felt like it was the only chance he had to get away from his hand was if I lead...
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06-19-2014 , 11:42 AM
The flop bet is the interesting one IMO and is a nice play. I figure you have as many as 15 outs to the best hand so if your never folding the turn, why not re-raise on the flop? You may get him to fold, but at the very minimum he will check the turn card to you and you end up setting your own price to see the river. It also effectively disguises the fact you are on the draw as that play from most players would show a made hand. So when you checked the turn, he was just confused enough to think you may be bluffing on the river.
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06-19-2014 , 12:14 PM
Grunch:

Pre: these are some of my favorite opponents. They're generally predictable because they've played enough to have an idea of what they think is good play. Raise seems fine.

Flop: I would bet a little larger for value. If you hit something you want to get stacks in easily. 3 bet also seems good although I'd make sure my sizing was such that a shove was easy.

Turn: you can either check or bet really small to make it look afraid. There's only about $100 left so you can bet something like $25-30. This gets a little guaranteed money in there plus makes a shove much more likely to be called. A huge bonus is it lets him to do what he really wants to do which is spazz out and show everyone he's a genius by shoving. I like this much better than a check.

River: should be shoving by this point. By checking turn you opene the door for not getting paid.
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06-19-2014 , 01:49 PM
As played, argh V has ~100 behind in a pot of ~$200 ott and you arent gii?
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06-19-2014 , 02:09 PM
Bet $125 ott. Why would you want to miss value with the nuts? V raised the flop and called a re-raise, he's not folding now. As played shove and hope to get called.
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06-19-2014 , 02:20 PM
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Originally Posted by owlberteinstein
Bet $125 ott. Why would you want to miss value with the nuts? V raised the flop and called a re-raise, he's not folding now. As played shove and hope to get called.
My thinking was that if he was ever going to find a fold it would have been on the turn.
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06-19-2014 , 02:23 PM
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Originally Posted by owlberteinstein
Bet $125 ott. Why would you want to miss value with the nuts? V raised the flop and called a re-raise, he's not folding now. As played shove and hope to get called.
This
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06-19-2014 , 02:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Stellamoose
My thinking was that if he was ever going to find a fold it would have been on the turn.
He's too short to fold a lot of his hands there. He's more likely to find a fold on the river.
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06-19-2014 , 02:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Duke0424
Flatting his flop c/r has to be better than 3b. You're not folding out any better hands vs this player and he probably doesn't have much of a bluff range.

with only a half pot size bet left Ott, I think you should definitely shove. Checking back is good if you think he'll get away from all of his Jx, though. But that wont be true of most people
He doesn't have to have a better hand here ... We are ahead of a hand like QJ or JT.

I'm getting as much money in the pot as possible here.

I'd shove and hope he calls with just TP. Which it sounds like he might.
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06-19-2014 , 07:34 PM
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Originally Posted by QuadJ
I don't like the flop reraise. Villain seems like the sticky "I don't respect you enough to ever fold" type and your still drawing on flop. Villain's stack isn't so deep that you need to build the pot and your going to be hating life later if the board bricks out and villain wins hand with a middle pair.
If you brick, you brick, and that's life. Villain is going to happily flat your 3! with basically any pair, then you have 15 outs vs most of his range. Ramming as much money in as you can now (that you have >50% equity) makes your decisions easier later, when V might shut down because your outs are very visible and scary. With > 50% drawing equity I want SPR lower than 1 so that I can still put the money in on brick turns (or more easily entice a call if I hit).
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06-19-2014 , 09:57 PM
I'd pop it to $115, leaving myself 2.5:1 for shipping it on a blank turn. Worst case scenario he folds every pair worse than QJ, giving me 75% fold equity and leaving me with 45% pot equity . I can then easily ship it on any turn that isn't a J, 9 or 8. Assuming that he folds every one-pair hand, then I have 80%+ fold equity on a pot that is already $71 after rake, and I still have 40% equity, and GII equity on most turns.

This is why it's so important to play your draws aggressively.

Last edited by Aleksei; 06-19-2014 at 10:23 PM.
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06-19-2014 , 10:13 PM
Oops, I misread stacks. $85 is fine. $90 is better, because then you leave V a half pot behind and can GII on 75%+ of turns in literally any scenario.

Last edited by Aleksei; 06-19-2014 at 10:20 PM.
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