$100 eff. V1 = young guy very early 20s fish, newish to the table, overlimps and overcalls straddles preflop like an average $1/$2 fish but since he's new haven't seen anything super stupid from him (yet?). V2 = fish girl who's very new to poker and barely knows how to play and has bled her stack to $28.

UTG straddles for $4. V1 calls in UTG+2, I have KsKc in MP and make it $25. V2 in CO shoves for $28 total. Blinds and UTG fold; V1 and I call $28. V1's initial call of the straddle and then calling off $28 is obviously quite fishy.

Flop: AhQh6d Pot ~ $90

V1 checks.

You? Please explain your action and also plan for turn and river.

It is unlikely your beating both villains here, check and hope you can get to the show down cheaply. If V1 does have a hand your beating he probably doesn't bet because he has to hate that board even more then you, so if V1 does bet you should fold. If you catch a K your committed and should bet to get stacks in but other then that or the outside chance of runner/runner straight you want to get to showdown cheap.

This is a situation where a really bad villain will sometimes make a spazz play and get you to fold a better hand. Unless you have some history with villain that suggests he is prone to spazzing out, it is still better to fold. V2 is likely to have a lot of bad AX in her range, so you need to be very confident of beating V1 to play here.

check it back. Betting into a new side pot here looks strong enough so that we're never getting called by a hand we beat.

For the same reason, im inclined to just let this one go to any aggression. IMO, with a player all in, V is simply not likely to be betting a hand we can beat.

50bbs deep to start, i don't really see much of a chance for us to get him off an ace.

All on on the flop.
Only villain with money has like 35 bb and has checked. With stacks so small you need to push.

check it back for pot control and possibly get called by a Q or smaller PP on later streets

You've created a large pot relative to the effective stack with a premium holding and you've got a SPR less than 1 against a fish with 36BB behind. Shove.

Check fold

I do think the $25 bet was a little large, but it is what it is. We no longer should be concerned with V2, we are playing heads up against V1, and can not give a free card to a flush draw if he has one. Bet half pot and if he shoves I think you have an easy fold. If he calls you need to keep the presure on. Let us know the results, its a good question.

Stack sizes make bet/fold impossible. Effective stack is $100 and $28 is already in, so hero only has $72 to work with in a $90 pot. Hero can't bet $50 here and then fold for the last $22. There isn't much in the way of flush draws that V1 can have anyway, with the top two being the hearts, there isn't anything that calls the $28 preflop that makes a flush draw here unless V1 is a total fish who calls with any two suited preflop no matter the bet size.

V1 called the straddle, V2s shove and then checked the flop OK? I go for it all in and take my lumps maybe if either has the A (especially the young man). Not that much fancy play done at 1-2 NLH! He might be trapping, but you never really have all the answers. You are likely good over both unless T and R bite you. KK is still a big favorite against two players.

Interesting, two camps on this one, namely: the shove and the check. Question for the check camp: if we check flop and villain bets turn we fold?

Check and evaluate the turn.

with the amount of information we have, i say yes.

I think of it this way... the limp call probably means an ace of some sort or a pocket pair, unless he is just limp calling everything.

IMO, we are never folding out an ace here. We are also never getting action fro a PP that is essentially third pair, unless V is just willing to stack super loose.

Yes, there might be some queens in V's range -- but the one most likely to give us action only has 6 combos because of our blockers. He might stack with QJ or QT (though this is a big maybe in my mind with an ace on the board) But these hands are a relatively small part of his preflop range.

I think a more interesting question is, if V checks turn, do we shove then? Personally, i still probably check it back. But its closer, because checking the ace flop might get us some action from a queen or even a hand like JJ or TT.

Hes not trapping with an ace. He's checking it because hes not sure if its good. Many llnl players are going to be in this pot with most off suit aces and all suited aces.. when they flop top pair with these hands they use them as bluff catchers.

Shoving is pure spew. even if you are likley to be good (which youre not all that likely IMO) what are you looking to get action from, JJ?

Watch your stack sizes. This is live poker, we couldn't get a read as to whether V2 was interested in the hand or not? If I think she is interested, I like a raise to 14. If I can't tell, and I'm raising to 25 anyway, I just go to 28. I am, however, willing to risk the lower raise if I think there is any chance she is willing to play.

There's no way I'm folding here just because there's an Ace on the flop. But, I am checking back the flop, mainly to induce shoves by Q's who think they're good on the turn after the flop check. There's no need to check for pot control, we started the hand at 50BB. If he checks back turn though, too, then I'm shoving.

Yeah, I agree with the check fold crowd. Shoving just folds out the hands you beat, and is called by hands you trail. Seems like WA/WB situation to me. Odds are against him having a flush draw...

I played this completely wrong. I bet flop "to protect from FD" and due to autopilot as my standard is to always bet flop with 1 over on the flop. Some tilt involved too probably. He calls, checks turn. I figure what the heck, if he has an ace he'll bet anyway on the river and I'll have to call due to low remaining stack and throw in the rest. He has A9. Yes, I know I butchered this, that's why I'm here lol.

I'd check and re-evaluate the turn. If he shoves, we can fold. He will rarely do something weird like bluff a pocket pair or bet Qx and make us fold. But I think most people described like this will bet all their aces and just try to cheaply get to showdown with Qx.

This might be results oriented but I would make it 20* pf so if co shoves and there's a call you can reopen the betting.

*Or whatever the maximum raise is at your casino that would allow you to reopen the betting should CO shove.

Qx is never getting induced lol, you're getting called a lot wider than you think, any Ax, any Qx, and broadway draw, all hearts. AI otf 72.

Ax has us beat.

Qx: im not syaing he's not showing up with a Q here sometimes. But there are simply not many Qx hands in his range in a pot that was 12.5bbs to go pre. A really wide estimate is q8ss+ and QTo+.... I dont think OP's informtion even justifies going that far, and it certainly doesnt suggest going farther.

Broaway draw: Any broadway draw is going to be an inside draw, and we're almost never getting called AI.

hearts -- if we know V has hearts,a shove is correct. However there simply aren't that many hands in his range that are suited in hearts especially when you take out the ah and the qh.

I like the flop check back. We want to keep his range wide. It seems like every one that wants to get it in on this flop is just concerned with avoiding being bluffed out. I can't think why else. And that's not a reason to bet.

We're either way ahead or way behind. Also we have no reads this is a good aggro shortstack villain. He's probably just your typical loose passive halfstacked 1/2 player that's never gonna bluff shove.

On the turn, if he shoves, we can fold. If he checks again, we can bet for value...or even better, check back the turn as well...and on the river we should be able to bet pretty big, looking like a bluff, and get value from any decent pair

Given the villains description yes.

A lot of the play here is predicated on the two villains be typical fish. Both are going to have a lot of bad AX in their range. V1 won't bet these hands but won't give them up either, and he isn't likely to bet worse. If he does bet he has a good ace or better most of the time.

Against other players I play this very differently. At a typical late night 2/5 game where V2 could have anything playable and V1 has more suited connectors and pairs in his range, I probably go ahead and shove flop because of stack sizes. I expect to get picked off by V1 with a big ace some of the time but he will call with QX sometimes and will mostly fold after not betting flop.

Do they only allow the top 1/2 players worldwide into you're room? Hearts and broadway draws call instantly. Qx calls after a minute. I know Ax has us beat, i was including all possible hands. I've seen guys call $90 ai's with 86o with bigger stacks still to act behind. So if people are only calling 12BB raises pf in your room with AK, AA, KK, I'd probably just move.