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1/2 NL: JJ Overpair + Gutter Gets Raised on Soaking Wet Flop 1/2 NL: JJ Overpair + Gutter Gets Raised on Soaking Wet Flop

10-27-2016 , 09:35 AM
Check flop lol, doubt I'm c/f though, depends on action

As played obv folding but not very happy about it as we basically gave V the easiest semi-bluff spot of his life.

Probably would have been worthwhile to include effective stack sizes between V and the other flop caller as well as V flop raise sizing is interesting.
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10-27-2016 , 09:37 AM
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Originally Posted by papagavin
Check flop lol, doubt I'm c/f though, depends on action

As played obv folding but not very happy about it as we basically gave V the easiest semi-bluff spot of his life.
So you dont want to check the flop but you admit that betting gives villain the easiest semi bluff spot of his life and that hero needs to fold now? Thats completely contradictory.
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10-27-2016 , 09:40 AM
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Originally Posted by MikeStarr
So you dont want to check the flop but you admit that betting gives villain the easiest semi bluff spot of his life and that hero needs to fold now? Thats completely contradictory.
I am checking flop, most of the time I am c/c unless the action goes raise->reraise

dont understand how you construed the opposite of what i said from my post
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10-27-2016 , 09:46 AM
Well you said "check flop LOL" That sounds like you think checking the flop is laughable. My apologies if you really meant "check flop obviously"
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10-27-2016 , 09:46 AM
^^^ cuz your use of lol I think.
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10-27-2016 , 01:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Dizzyqtp
Yeah I don't think Johnny really gave enough information on the other villains at the table to get a good grasp of how the table was playing. It was basically me, him, and 7 known fish/stations. There was no need to be aggressive because people just weren't going to fold. I wasn't necessarily saying that a significant portion of that range should be an open fold, but a lot of it he would be limping since every pot is going to go multiway regardless, initiative wasn't very important at this table, and building pots when you wanted to was not difficult.
Agreed. At this table I would open 88 or 99+, ATs or AJs+, and maybe KJs/QJs but those are more for bingo purposes. Most of the hands GTO mentioned would be a limp/call so I could benefit from relative position at a loose call happy table, while others would simply be a fold in EP (56s).

MABG started the hand with $225. Bad rec (BTN) had about $700 effective vs. Dizzy and unknown rec had around $300-400 I believe. I was fairly new to the table.

I think I may have actually been UTG and not UTG+1 which gives me an even tighter open range. I'm fairly confident Dizzy knew my c-bet range to be ~99+ and a handful of NFD's.

So Dizzy knows my range here, I know his range and how he plays a lot of it in different spots vs. different (less multiway) people, and now have to decide if he is exploiting/leveling me and/or isolating MABG. He knows I have virtually no calling range on this flop, and while I know the BTN is wide enough pre to not deter a profitable semi-bluff from myself, I'm not sure if Dizzy feels the same. I also have no read on SB other than first impression and not recognizing him as a reg, though he may have one from his longer time at the table.
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