Hero- 21 y/o white guy. Just sat down at table. Just had nut straight all in on turn beaten by rivered flush by a guy calling down with J5. Guy called my all in $55 shove with a flush draw and won the pot for approx $150. Was short stacking at the time and lost 30BB. Now sitting with 102BB.

V1- EP - 90BB- Young guy, seems like a fish but I've only been here for about 2 or 3 orbits.

Hero- SB. A2

(the following are estimates. I don't remember 100% exactly)
V1- calls
V2- calls
V3- folds
V4- calls
V5- folds
V6- folds
V7- calls

Hero calls $1.

(Pot: $12)
Flop: K4Q

Hero checks(looking back, this was probably a mistake)

V1 bets $5.
V2 Folds
V4 Folds
V7 calls
Hero calls

(Pot: $27)
Turn: K

V1 bets $10

I reraise to $45(Too small? I didn't want to push him out of the pot since I figured he was on a draw. Should I have bet more?)

V1 calls
V7 folds

(Pot: $127)
River: 8

Hero raises to $75
V1 shoves all in for another $40 or so

This seems like a great card so instead of shoving over the top I raised to $75. I figure if he has trip kings, or two pair he will likely still call me. Good thinking or should I have shoved? Would it really matter, since he was going to shove automatically if he had a boat and likely call/fold if he didn't?

I'm thinking the only way he's beating me here is if he has KQ or QQ or 44. I don't see why he wouldn't have raised QQ or KQ preflop, so 44 is about all I can see him having. I would expect a reraise on the turn of he had a boat, but maybe he is trying to trap me on the river.

I look forward to your input. Thanks all.

OTF

I'd go ahead and lead for pot, or even a little over pot, maybe $18 - thinking, almost any diamond is calling, and no one is giving us credit for a flopped flush. I think calling here is a mistake.

OTT

Raise sizing is high. Dependent on reads on Villain - is Villain the type that might stack off with KKK and tell himself/herself - ahhhh coolered again? Or is Villain the type that just turned a full house? I think the raise here would be $25. And if Villain jams, we have to tank a bit. What does Villain have, and what would hey do with it?

Given action...

OTR

If I'm reading this correctly, you bet $75 and Villain shoves for $40 more. I don't think we can fold here. However, my read would is that V1 flopped a set, turned a boat, and is "milking" bets from flush draws and trips.

On the flop either lead for something or check/raise after there is a bet and call. On the turn, either leading or check/raise is fine. When your C/R gets called you should start being worried about villain's range. Your C/R on a monotone flop that paired is immensely strong, saying you have KX at best like likely better.

On river, depending on villain, anything from check/fold to shove could be right. After the turn raise gets called, I like a bet/fold for $40. Villain is likely to call with KX and smaller flushes but any shove over top is probably a boat. As played, I can't see folding but I'm not liking the situation. Most villains will have just enough KX or smaller flushes that you can't fold for those odds but you won't be good very often.

BTW, now that I think about it more, I actually think the flop may have been checked around. I can't remember exactly. If it were checked around, would this have changed how you would have played the hand?

this would change the way that i would play the hand as i would definitely start betting my hand for value.

given the limited knowledge on V and based on this being at 1/2 I would put V on a range of flopped set turned boat, something like 44, a smaller flush or something like KTo.

On the river i think you have to call here even though i like a bet/fold line more. I would have lead out for less as a B/F.

If the flop checks around then you have to lead turn. The king is a great card though, because it's less likely somebody hit an odd boat and more likely a KX hand can call a big bet. I would lead turn for $10/$15 to make it look like I'm trying to keep flush draws from calling.

Previously it was impossible. It can't be less likely now.


It's a limped pot so K4 is a possibility.

What draw are you assuming the Villain is on? What hands are calling your check-raise on the turn?

Less likely relative to the first betting sequence you described. If somebody had a set or two pair on a monotone flop then they are likely to bet or call a bet on the flop. When it's checked around sets and two pair are much less likely. That makes the top card pairing safer for you hard. At the same time, a villain who improved to trip kings is likely to call at least one bet, so you have a good chance of getting paid something.

KT, KJ, maybe even Kx suited. I was near positive that he had trips on the turn when he called my raise but did not think he had a boat. I figured that if he was on a draw and didn't know that I was sitting with the nut flush, it would be +EV to continue since I'm still good 80% of the time if he's on a draw.

your oop so build the pot early and dont try to be cute. someone is going to have something with that flop and you want to get money in and tie them on.

Thank you Ray and everyone else for your input.

Here are the results:

thats why if you are going to get all in you need to do it before the river. as you ended up putting it in there or very close to it. and dont know if he would have gone in with the weak trip kings.

but overall you were going to lose money with this hand no big deal.
next time though when its bet at you on the flop and have a caller in front its time to raise. no sense in giving both a free card and having a small pot to try and build on 4th street.