Villain 1(MP): Straight forward player. Likes to play pots and only bets when he has it.

Villain 2 (button): Really good super LAG. He was specifically playing against another really good player at the table (Villain 3) and even moved his seat so he could be to the left of him. I had just doubled against Villain 2 after he 3bet Villain 3 and I jammed my short stack (I was getting ready to leave I swear) with 10-10 and doubled without a showdown. Pretty sure he's on tilt at this point.

Very next hand after I doubled, all players have around 200.

Pre-flop: Villain 1 raises to 7 in middle position. Villain 2 makes it 23 from the button. Hero has AK in the sb and makes it 65 to go.

Thoughts: Villain 2 could have any two cards here but I'll "narrow" it down and put him on gappers, connectors, or medium pairs. Really don't think he has a big hand. My raise could be bigger maybe to 75 or 80?

Villain 1 folds Villain 2 calls. Hero has 120 left.

Flop (~140): 6Q6

Is shoving the only (and correct) play?

you are committed, no matter what play you choose. jamming is ok, betting small to maybe induce a spazz is ok too. you actually have more FE if you bet small, although in reality you probably don´t have FE against a better hand anyways; bet 55 and give him the chance to do smth stupid...

I dont believe villains range should be as wide as stated:
Given that V2 has called your 4 bet I think much of his range is AQs, AK, 88+.
I'd assume most of his suited connector range, if any, pre would be J10s+. (Do you see villain making the same play with A10 or 87s type hands here, given he is committing 25% of stack pre?)

With the paired board, and given villain information, I think it's best to give up as he will be calling with any Q and any PP (which is much of his range IMO).
only problem is, when we check he is jamming a large percentage of the time.

If you have further reason to believe Villains range as as wide as you had stated in the original post, please inform me, then I would jam.

I don't like the 3 bet OOP preflop to be honest.

Only hitting the flop 35% of the time, so 2/3 of the time you are going to be put in this situation.

What situation? We have a villain who can fold, and who has a pp less than a Q, or will also miss the flop 2/3 of the time (more now because of the pair?).

Shove, AINEC.

Note: wrote this response while listening to "Rainbow In The Dark", so I'm in "Aggressive Mode". Dio was a god, AINEC!!!!!

Yeah good points guys.

I 4 bet him because I was 90% sure he was using his button to try and bully people out of the pot or at worst play heads up in position. He had done this before but it didn't go to showdown.

His range preflop: it might not be as wide as I said but I do think it's wider than 88+ AQ+. He believes (and is probably right) that he can outplay most of the table post flop. I'd definitely include suited connectors 67+ in his range as he might put me on like 1010-QQ and try and bully me out if a K or A hits.

His calling range if I shove: I'm guessing he does call with any Q or pocket pair. That does make me think that checking is a better option. But check folding in this spot just seems so weak.

I belive you can make the 4 bet preflop even bigger when OOP, so you set up an even easier shove/comittment on the flop regardless of hitting or not. By your description his calling range is clearly behind your AK imo, you are playing this hand purely for value.

I def agree with the 4 bet pre (Especially given the reasons you have stated).

Main concern for me is you described V2 as "Really Good super LAG". From my experience most LAGs (who are very good) are not gonna call for 25% of their stack super light (which is why I have tightened up V2s range so much).

However, after we 4bet pre it's bad to check basically any flop (especially when we are HU). Now I do not think a jam on this flop is a bad play, may be the correct play, at all! Just trying to find the best play.

Agree with a large 4 bet pre, if this is done then a jam would be only option IMO.

If this dude is 3 betting widely and likely to fire a cbet post, why take him out of the lead? Flat and cr over his cbet on most boards. Why let him off the hook with the weaker hands in his 3 bet range? 4 Betting is going to iso yourself oop against what is likely a better hand.

Do not agree with this, given V1 opened:
If we 4 bet we likely take down the pot pre, or at least see the flop HU.
By calling we are sending an open invitation to V1 to see the flop getting about 3.5 to 1 ( and being OOP to two players).

+1, and one more thing:

-We are likely ahead of his range preflop with our AK, so as i see it we want to get as much money in as we are capable of preflop-when we still have the best hand for almost sure.

Agreed, but anyways to the flop.

Given he flats our 4 bet, do you see us getting a fold about 35% of the time when we jam? (Not sure of exact percentage we need but should be about 35%ish, probably even less given we have outs to all Vs 2 pair hands).

Difficult question, but yes i belive we can get him to fold 1 out of 3 times. I think he has enough behind that he can manage to fold the weaker parts of his flat range here. Maybe he setmined with a pocket pair even when he didnt got the odds, maybe he whiffed with a suited connector type of hand-several possibilities. That is why i like i little bit bigger 4 bet here pre, to really make this a bad call for his part- and a no brainer jam on the flop on our part.

Also,if the villain is somewhat decent he will also on some rare occasions flat our 4 bet here with KK-AA knowing that we are destined to jam the flop and he can stack us. But slowplaying KK-AA is a very small portion of his range here i belive.

1) As you have figured out, if the villain calls your raise here, you almost always have to shove the turn, whether you hit the flop or not.

2) You've described the villain as on tilt. So you don't have any fold equity since villains on tilt tend not to fold. Raising is correct if you think you have the best hand at the moment, but then if the villain calls, are you going to be happy shoving the 67% of the time you miss the flop? Sometimes you have to give up a smaller EV+ situation for a bigger one later.

3) You're not re-raising the villains pre-flop raise. You're 4-betting the villain's 3-bet. So even if the villain is on tilt, I still think you have no fold equity. I don't see a lot of $1/$2 players 3-betting pre-flop and then folding to a 4-bet.

4) With this specific flop, I disagree with the thought that the villain is going to fold a pocket pair on the flop. On a board like this, he'll probably fold 22-55. MAYBE 77. I don't think 88-JJ are folding getting less than 2:1 against a queen. If it was a king, then maybe since it's much more likely to put a 4-better on AK than AQ.

I think the best way to play this hand is to consider it a "drawing" hand. Call the $22 and if you hit the flop try to stack the villain(s) then. If V2 is so tilted, wait until you hit your hand and then get paid.

The more I see this situation at 1/2, the more I think it's correct to just flat out of position.

I doubt that after our 4 bet, we are also never ever getting any more value when we hit our ace or king.

So basically turning our hand into a bluff on most flops. And rarely getting paid off when we do hit our hand.

Doesnt make sense to just say we should build the pot up right now because we have the best hand, we want to build the pot up when we have the best situation for how the rest of the hand will play out.

Just doesnt seem more +EV to 4 bet here OOP against a sticky player

I like flatting pre. You keep dominated hands in, your hand isn't face up, and you can still c/r lots of flops and possibly have v2 spew into you on raggy flops.

4betting puts you on a very obvious range and usually just gets folds. I'd rather 4b bluff or 4b a hand like 88 here.

You said at that the guy was a good LAG but he may be tilted from a hand u 2 just played, that's why you put him on a weak 3bet range. You said you shipped over his 3 bet with 10-10 but didn't say what he called it off with? What was his 3 bet range when he was playing against the other good LAG u mentioned? If he's a good player is he really tilting or sticking to his regular game plan? For someone to 3 bet and call a 4 bet pre flop, there gonna end up having a pretty narrow range. Especially in 1/2, its a child's game we play. I don't know this particular player, but from all the 1/2 games I've been in I would put him on 88+ for pairs, AK and probable AQs. Your only ahead of 1 hand which is no good. You're not deep enough for anyone to want to call your 4 bet with connectors or any hand like that even in position. Flatting pre flop lets you see a flop with a monster and not be committed to shoving any flop if you hit or not. Being OOP is a huge disadvantage here, especially if he is a good player. What are you gonna do if u 4 bet and the origional raiser ships? call off and hope for a flip with AKo? Not my favorite hand to get in pre 100bb or more... I know the original bet was only 7 so he cant have AA or KK or QQ right?.... Not true... You said this villain only bets when he has it so what is his opening range here? I know he's not involved after the 4 bet, but he should be considered before the 4 bet is made, not just villain 2.
I think flatting pre is the correct move in this spot. If He is tilting why raise him off his garbage. Hit a flop and let him tilt it off. Dont hit the flop, u fold and your not in this funky spot