1/2 NL. Table has been going for an hour and a half. Full ring.

Hero ($200, MP1): Hero just lost his first buy in the previous hand when he flopped a pair with an open ended straight flush draw and called an all in, and lost to KK. Hero is a reg and is generally seen as TAG, but probably a little looser than he actually is.

Villain 1 ($260, SB): Villain 1 is not a reg, but hero plays with villain about once a month, maybe twice a month. Villain 1 is a very good player. He makes good bluffs, good value bets, etc. For whatever reason villain 1 seems a little off his game today. He's in for his second buy in, but seems to playing looser than usual and also a little more aggressive than usual. Villain 1 is also very quiet today and is usually extremely talkative and heading the table conversation.

Villain 2 ($500, UTG +1): Villain 2 is a reg. Villain 2 is extreme LAG, but not quite a maniac. Villain 2 plays decently well post flop, but is very gamble-y. He will get it all in with draws, top pair bad kicker, sets with 4 of the same suit/4 card straights, etc. Villain 2 will call just about any raise there is as long as at least one other person calls. Villain 2 has been running unusually good.

OTTH

$5 button straddle villain 1 and villain 2 call and hero looks up to A A. Hero raises to $25 and it's folded around to villain 1 who calls as does villain 2.

Flop ($82) Q J 9

Villain 1 checks, villain 2 checks, hero bets $50, villain 1 tanks and goes all in, villain 2 calls somewhat quickly, hero?

FOLD.

That is one flop I would check w/ AA, especially considering your opponents are playing looser than usual.

Easy fold imo. Given villain description I too like a check on the flop with a 1 pair hand if I know he could apply aggression with draws/2pair+/air. Note against our normal loose passive 1/2 villains, I would definitely bet flop.

It just feels like a barely ahead / way behind situation and don't like getting my stack in.

With SPR a bit over 2, our default is obviously to commit. But this is a crappy board and crappy action.

Main pot is 175 + 175 + 132 = 482 with 125 to call. We need to be good 21% to go along.

I think we actually can call. Any K gives us the nuts (though obviously we might chop); against 2P and sets we have the odds; one or other V might have some combo draw that we're actually ahead of.

Against a range of 22 - TT, suited aces, connectors, 1Gs and some broadways turning into straights, sets, 2P, OESD+pair we have 34% equity. We need to reduce that because we're against two V's, but it's not half (since V's don't always have perfectly disjoint ranges) so I think we're still in thin call territory.

If one or other V were passive, I'd be all up in the fold business.

It's close, but I think aggro V's, high odds, low SPR nudge me toward a call.

Flop sucks but can’t fold with SPR 2.5 after putting in almost half your stack. Calling $125 to win $600, gotta call it off IMO.

You better go eat your Wheaties.

AP I call and expect the A 9 runout.

If we check the flop, what's the plan on the turn? (Not a pointed question, genuine interest.)

Wow, tough day for the Case. Yeah, should have said "any K that also includes a T" gives us the nuts.

Might be time to self-ban for a couple hours and work on that reading comprehension.

OK, put me right on the fold/call line.

That's a great point that I was fixated on. I was re thinking "should I have just checked the flop?" The problem is, as Case2 mentioned - what is the plan if we check the flop on the turn? What happens if the turn is a complete brick, villain 1 leads out big and villain 2 calls? Awful board, tough situation.

The thing is, I feel like either villain would've raised it pretty big pre with QJ, QQ, JJ, and 99. Q9 or J9, I can definitely see a limp out of them. I do not see villain 1 calling my raise with Q9 or J9. Villain 1 is playing really weird though and could have Q9 or J9 today (but not usually). Villain 2 is the main concern as he could have Qx, Q9, J9 or Tx.

You know what? I may need to impose a self ban for a couple hours as well. I read the situation as effective stacks for $500. Given that effective Stacks are only $200 I definitely call in person and even behind my cell phone I still think it is a crying call.

The plan is to pray you get to showdown cheaply. If you cant, you fold. If you cant fold AA on boards like this to heavy action, you are in trouble long term.

100% check flop here.

OK, looking at stacks makes it pretty hard to fold, but betting this flop was a mistake, as stated. Our plan if we check the flop is to try to get to the river as cheaply as possible. Some boards just don't work for AA, especially vs. loose callers. People love calling raises w/ QJ, KT, T8, 99. I'd be slightly happier if there were at least a flush draw on board. I just don't see how we can beat both of them.

+1

Added TYP, but +1

Given pf action and description of villains, I think the bolded is the range we are dealing with. PP and sets (except maybe 99) pretty much never, I would think. If V1 is as good as described, he knows his FE is minimal given SPR, even if V2 doesn't come along.

I completely see where the posters who are adamant about folding are coming from. That is exactly why I posted this thread.

Does not compute.

I'm very surprised he didn't raise it pre. The only thing I could think of is that he was trapping and then I raised it and he didn't think his hand was strong enough to get it in pre vs me. Believe me, I wouldn't just make up a villain's description lol, I play with him so frequently and anyone at the table would MINIMALLY view him as LAG.

Sometimes the players I think are LAGs at first end up being idiots that click random buttons. There is literally nothing in the hand that I would do if I was V2. Limp pre is dumb. After we face a raise, check raising with AQ is overrepping our hand. So planning to check raise is stupid. Then OTF we have a very strong hand that we either check with or donk with, and I don't like either option. He really butchered his hand by limping pre.

I don't understand how an extreme LAG reg can play a hand this way unless he either:

1) is not an extreme LAG reg or
2) had a stroke pre.

The problem is that I have 100 hours+ with this villain. I think he had a stroke pre, because I truly believed he was on a draw or this was a rare instance where he was trapping with two pair. This was very very far from how he normally plays and I think everyone at the table was surprised at his holding. With that being said, he does make bone headed moves from time to time and is definitely not a great player but overall he definitely makes more than he loses.

I'm going to rethink the loose/tight + aggressive/passive archetype and come up with something better. Check back later.

Raise more pre-flop. Make it at least $40. The flop is all over the two villains' range. Fold to the all-in and call.