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1/2 NL Double Gutter on Turn 1/2 NL Double Gutter on Turn

07-29-2018 , 06:22 AM
$1/$2 NL
Hero (TAG image) $217 CO T9
(Villain young black kid TAG, raises $6-7 pre, likes to triple barrel)

UTG limps, I limp in CO, Button limps, SB (villain) makes it $7.. BB calls.. 5 to the flop

Flop
Q76
SB bets $17 into 4 people, I call

Turn K
SB bets $35 (we pick up a double gutter & our hand is disguised)

River T
SB bets $100 leaving $25 behind, I fold

Can we ever shove turn? Can we fold the turn?

My thoughts: He has Qx & sets & overpairs in his range, I have 3bet him out of the BB to his UTG open previously so I would most likely 3bet my strong Qx and Kx type hands from the CO
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07-29-2018 , 08:15 AM
Fold pre. dont limp and dont call the raise.
Fold flop.
You are stacking errors from the limp and its adding up.
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07-29-2018 , 09:25 AM
A TAG doesnt limp T9o.
A TAG doesnt call with a gutshot on the flop
A TAG doesnt call the turn...he raises when he picks up equity AND an overcard hit the turn that could scare villain.

You're not a TAG. This hand is played like a typical loose passive fish. Excuse my harshness, but you'll get killed playing like this. Tough love, Sir.
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07-29-2018 , 09:50 AM
If you have a TAG image why limp from CO? If you convinced to be perceived as a TAG than is a perfect spot to squeeze or fold NO CALL!
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07-29-2018 , 10:21 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by MikeStarr
A TAG doesnt limp T9o.
A TAG doesnt call with a gutshot on the flop
A TAG doesnt call the turn...he raises when he picks up equity AND an overcard hit the turn that could scare villain.

You're not a TAG. This hand is played like a typical loose passive fish. Excuse my harshness, but you'll get killed playing like this. Tough love, Sir.
+1
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07-29-2018 , 10:25 AM
Preflop limp is OK sometimes. Even then your hand is too weak to limp every time and only if the table leans passive so you won't face a raise very often. The EP limper probably won't fold to a raise but depending on how he plays post flop it would be OK sometimes. It's a trivial fold when raised preflop and on the flop.

On the turn you improved a disguised good draw but it's not a great one. And it is so well disguised it won't have the FE on a raise that you need. He bet enough you can't get odds to draw so you need to fold.
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07-29-2018 , 11:05 AM
Fold pre.
If you don't fold pre, squeeze after the tiny raise and multiple calls. Make it ~$45 and profit. You can probably bet the flop if called in 1 place, if you get called on the flop it would depend on who called and stack size. Might be able to shove the turn, might just have to give up though.
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07-29-2018 , 11:53 AM
Wow! This hand has so much fail. Dude. Subscribe to Upswing Lab, or read a good book like Harrington on Cash games or something. Wow! Just wow!
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07-29-2018 , 12:47 PM
[GRUNCH]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Poprocks
$1/$2 NL
Hero (TAG image) $217 CO T9
(Villain young black kid TAG, raises $6-7 pre, likes to triple barrel)

UTG limps, I limp in CO, Button limps, SB (villain) makes it $7.. BB calls.. 5 to the flop
Why is it that you limped behind UTG when it's folded to you?
Why is it you call another $5 with T9 off-suit? You don't even have absolute position.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Poprocks
Flop: Q76
SB bets $17 into 4 people, I call
Going to the flop, the pot is $35 - $3 rake & $2 BBJ where I play, so the pot is $30. When SB bets $17 & it's folded to you, the pot is $45 & you are calling $17, getting 2.65:1 & the Button hasn't acted yet.

So SB likes to triple barrel, but the Button is one of 5 players pre. There is a flush draw & a str8 draw possible & it didn't hit either of the 2 players who folded, which IMO, increases chances it hit the Button.

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Originally Posted by Poprocks
Turn Q76K
SB bets $35 (we pick up a double gutter & our hand is disguised)
Now there is $97 in the pot & you're getting 2.77:1 on an 8 out draw [if V doesn't have s], about 16% equity & you're $35 is 27% of the total money in the pot.

Why would you do this unless you thought you had bluff equity? Since V likes to triple barrel, wouldn't this be the spot to shove? Is a shove taking it down often enough?

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Originally Posted by Poprocks
River Q76KT
SB bets $100 leaving $25 behind, I fold

Can we ever shove turn? Can we fold the turn?
We asked ourselves that on the turn?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Poprocks
My thoughts: He has Qx & sets & overpairs in his range, I have 3bet him out of the BB to his UTG open previously so I would most likely 3bet my strong Qx and Kx type hands from the CO
I thought this V was a triple-barrel monkey?
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07-29-2018 , 12:48 PM
Now that I've looked at responses, I wish I had chosen to just read them & then I could have given thumbs up to Starr's post & moved on.
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