1/2 NL. Four hours into session. Ten handed

Hero ($700, UTG +1):TAG, table probably views him as LAG because table is so tight and hero has been very card live, so he has been raising pf frequently.

Villain ($53, MP1): Super reg; he's at our card room LITERALLY every hour it is open (11AM-2AM) 7 days a week, and no, literally is not an exaggeration. Hero and villain have played several hundred hours together; despite this fact, hero is truly unsure a to how villain views hero's playing style, and realizes he probably doesn't think at all about anyone's playing style. Villain is also a super NIT. He usually doesn't play one hand (besides BB in unopened pot) until an hour or two have passed into a session. He also gets extremely frustrated with the dealers and assumes they're intentionally giving him "bad hands." Earlier in the session villain open limped AQs from MP2, two people limped behind, and a LAG raised it to $16, and villain showed hero his AQs and folded like it was a hero lay down (poetic justice: villain would've flopped trip Q and turned a boat.)

OTTH

BTN straddle $5. SB calls, and it's folded around to hero. Hero looks up to T T and raises to $25. A very flustered villain, who has "gotten a deuce the last 15 hands" looks down and says "let's see what's with my deuce this ****ing ti-," and before he could finish his sentence goes all in. Everyone else folds and it's up to hero. Regardless of the amazing odds, hero can't call knowing that villain has AA or MAYBE KK (though he may even just flat $25, and then go all in on any non A flop), right?

So you raised 25 and folded for 28 more with tens?? Your father should be ashamed of the demented ****** he raised

Help me out here...

Your bet puts $35 in the pot, villain shoves for $28 on top making the pot $88. You'd be calling $28 to win $88 or 3.15:1. You're a 4:1 dog if he only does this with pairs that beat yours.

Thank you for ignoring the question, and obviously not reading that I was clearly up against AA or possibly KK, internet tough guy.

No way I'm folding for 28 more. I don't care if he shows me AA I'm still calling.

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If he has AA, that's 79.93% to 19.77% with 0.30% chance of chopping.

If he has KK, that's 80.30% to 19.37% with 0.33% chance of chopping.

Assuming all four cards (his and ours) are different suits.

(It is left as an exercise to the reader to explain why the percentages are different between AA and KK.)

Four to one is a reasonable approximation.

With Villain's money in, the pot looks like $88 if my addition is correct. (OK, minus about 4 for the rake, call it $84.)

84 to 28 is about (wrong, it is exactly) 3 to 1.

And we are a 4:1 dog.

If we are dead certain that this is not AK (short stackers can do strange things when frustrated) it's a fold. But if we are not dead certain, it's a call. Why?

If Villain's range actually IS AK, JJ, QQ, KK because he is a frustrated short-stacker, then PokerStove gives us 33.65% equity, which is more like 2 to 1 underdog, not 4 to 1.

The speech combined with the action makes it tempting to think AA or KK.

PokerStove without the AK in Villain's range gives us 81.35 to 18.65, 4.36 to 1.

It is logical, not demented, to fold - but only if we are dead certain about our Villain.

It's $28 to win $118. We need 23.7% equity to break even. Obv if villain ONLY has a pair larger than TT we have to fold. Can he ever do this with AK? Surely a frustrated old nit is going to rip it in with AK here.

Against JJ+ and only suited AKs we have precisely 23.7%.

I'm calling but not loving it.

I'm with AvgReg on this one. I think for $25 more I'd call him with literally, literally, any two cards in the deck. I'm not saying it's +EV but if he sneaks one or combo's of AKs into his range it is +EV and I'm just not going to allow anyone to exploit me that way.

I would happily pay the tiny -EV amount just to suck out on this guy and get some amusement out of his tantrum.

I play with a nit like this (we're both in Michigan so I'd guess it's maybe the same guy, down to the angrily folding his cards and scowling at the dealer, other than the fact he's in MY cardroom 24/7) and I would never make this fold. If your read is this strong then go with it I guess. I'm not sure the point of posting the hand. You've clearly done the math and know that if Villain shows you AA/KK then you can't call. The only thing we can evaluate is the strength of your read, and you're the one whose played 100s of hours with the guy, not us. I have never played with anyone long enough and have a strong enough read to fold an all-in preflop getting 3:1 with TT, let alone ANY hand. Getting 3:1 to call an all-in from a 25bb short stack my calling range is 2 cards.

Yes, I forgot about tilt equity.

Tremendous odds?

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Who cares if the pot odds are not quite there and we lose some EV? Nits like these are cancer for any game and I would gladly sacrifice 10 bucks of EV for the opportunity to bust him, have him berate me in my face while I smile and stack his chips.

As some poster above said, he could show me AA and I still would call.

That table must be excruciating.

We have a nut peddling short stacking nit.

And a humorless nit who won't give action.

This is why I hate playing poker these days.

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This is displaced anger. You should punch yourself in the face.

FWIW it's best just to ignore posters like him. "Please don't feed the trolls."

So much this. Stacking this ahole should be a priority, heck, even flipping for stacks should be a priority. This nit’s biggest weakness is fear, and you should light this fire at every ~even EV opportunity.

You're 10bbs effective, you raised to 5bbs, villain jams another 5bbs and you're seriously considering folding?

I'd literally call this with ATC. No joke.

OP - one other way to look at this is what is the EV of this short stacked nut peddler occupying a seat that a standard rec-fish could be filling? The session +EV from upgrading the V surely outweighs the hands tiny -EV even if he shows you A’s. Calling all day, with both hands face up.

I would consider calling with some 1 card hands as well if it counted.

If you folded, I seriously hope you stood up from the table and took a break from poker for at least a week.

Since it sounds like this guy spends his waking hours in the room, he probably buys right back in.

Damn the math, I call with ATC here because even super nits spazz once in a very short while. Plus it shows others at the table your willingness to not be pushed around which you can maybe use to get the $10 of EV lost back at some point (not to mention if u win then tilt-a-whirl shorty is always fun).

Was V GG by any chance?

Do most itt feel they can sustain sacrificing ev in a game with this blind level?