1/2 NL, thirty minutes into session, 9 handed. UTG +1 has $300, UTG +2 has $200, HJ has $300, SB has $125, BB has $150, and hero covers.

OTTH

TAG UTG +1 opens $11, loose passive UTG +2 calls, HJ that's been extremely aggressive and we can't tell whether TAG or LAG calls, we call with T 8, loose passive in SB calls and loose passive in BB completes.

Flop ($66): Qd 8h 3s. Flop is checked around. Should we be taking a stab at the pot here? If we had BDFD too, would we bet here?

Turn ($66): 6c. It's checked to HJ and she bets $40 and we fold. Should we be calling here?

I appreciate the insight!

Good line. Especially like the turn action.

Flop check is the best option. You have second pair and not many ways to improve. With 3/4 people in the hand and some backdoor draw potential a bet might make sense.

On the turn it's meh either way. A very aggressive opponent can be taking a stab with air but unless villain is terrible it has to be discounted in a 6 way pot. Depending on villain calling turn may be OK but if you do you had better be ready to call a river bet also.

I don't hate a call pre as I assume we have the BUT and the SB and BB are both passive. Closing the action I'd actually prefer to be the one to bet $40 OTF when it checks to us. We can then check turn if we get called and get to the river very cheaply. If anyone leads turn or river we can easily get away, and sometimes we will just get through OTF. We knew it was going to be very multi way when we called pre. If we aren't willing to steal with middle pair closing the action I would rather fold pre. AP I like the turn fold as it's very hard for us to improve and HJ is described as extremely aggressive so we will likely face a large river bet.

Played perfectly IMO. If checked to us on the turn then stab turn I think

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^^^^ We are folding this turn? Really?

Villain almost always bets Qx on the flop after the IR checks, he can easily have T9/97/75/98/87 and random stabs. We can definitely call here and possibly hero on rivers that aren't too coordinated. It kinda sucks if somebody overcalls behind us, but cest la vie.
We are getting almost 3:1 to call and rate to have the best hand way more often than that imo.

I'm stabbing otf and peeling ott

Don't like betting flop here. Turn I'm probably folding 2/3 the time, calling 1/3, depending on vibe.

Have to bet the flop and thin the field

I fold or squeeze pre, we just don’t make enough nut hands with T8s to really want to play multi-way

Your line is passive, but it's also low variance and a winning play in the long run. I actually prefer the line over an aggressive one here.

Preflop, you are likely going to see a flop 5-6 ways because of the two loose passives in the blinds, so you are getting a great price to see a flop in position.

Flop, betting could easily just get you in trouble with a few short stack loose passive players in the hand that could easily have Qx given the action and just go with it.

Turn, a case could be made for calling since the HJ is so aggro and likely doesn't have Qx or a set given flop action, but you also aren't likely to have Qx or a set for the same reason. If you peel here, you better be prepared to call a big bet on pretty much any river.....but I just prefer the low variance fold given there are still 4 players left to act and there are only 5 river cards that you like.

yeah 6 way no way i take a stab

Yup, not really seeing a compelling reason to flat here

+1.

Calling pre to an UTG+1 TAG open range with a suited gapper is borderline. While the odds are attractive, post flop play and reversed IO are considerations.

Folding this preflop is just way too nitty. Its hands like this that make people think win rate caps are so low. If you fold hands like this is spots like this, you are severely limiting yourself.

Of course its not as highly +EV as having a premium hand but as long as its +EV at all, you should be playing it. Otherwise you just don't give yourself enough opportunities to use your skill advantage over people. Of course if you dont have a skill advantage or you dont play well post flop, then that's all a mute point and you should stick to standard ABC TAG play, but win rates for that type of play are pretty mediocre.

Being last to act here is a huge advantage. That's why we play more hands in position. Betting this flop in MP is marginal/bad. Betting it here when everyone checked AFTER the preflop raiser checked is a lot better. People almost always check to the raiser, but when the raiser checks, and they still check after that, its unlikely enough that nobody has a Q that I would bet most of the time. You will fold out a few better hands and deny equity to all the hands with overcards. If you check this flop, you basically lose the hand. A $35 bet will get lots of hands like A8s, 98s, 78s, 99 ect to fold. The lady that bet $40 on the turn could easily have that type of hand.

+1

ooooh i'm calling this one down

bet the flop

depending on PFR's range i'll sometimes 3b pre