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03-27-2012 , 04:31 PM
It's Tuesday afternoon.

You're at a table with one other player that's solid. But, you and him are staying out of eachother's way.
The rest of the table is composed of nits and your average fit or fold players.

So, you're raising frequently from button, co, hj...

The fish are upset, you're up $200.00 and haven't shown a hand.

Villian 1+2 are both passive, not call station though. You've double barreled each of them once when an ace or king hit on the turn. They're anxious to look you up.

4 limpers, you raise to $15.00 from button with k/5 diamonds.

Both villians above call.

$50.00 in pot, flop is A9d6d..

You have position and its checked to you.

You bet $35.00, you get one caller.

Pot is $120.00. Next card is 5 clubs.

You have $330.00 behind. Villian has $300.00 behind.

Checked to you. What's your play?

(Will post what I did and river card in a couple hours.)
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03-27-2012 , 04:38 PM
Given the situation that you've described, this might be a good time to mix up your play a little and just call preflop. With that many limpers in front of you and position, I like calling here and hoping to hit the flush. If you hit, I think you could use your image to win a fairly big pot with that many callers in front of you.

As played, I probably bet 75-80 on the turn.
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03-27-2012 , 04:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Fred_1_15301
Given the situation that you've described, this might be a good time to mix up your play a little and just call preflop. With that many limpers in front of you and position, I like calling here and hoping to hit the flush. If you hit, I think you could use your image to win a fairly big pot with that many callers in front of you.

As played, I probably bet 75-80 on the turn.
These are your average call with any ace players.

Any consideration to just checking and taking a free card?

Table is very curious as to what you been raising with....
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03-27-2012 , 04:54 PM
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Originally Posted by LotGrinder
These are your average call with any ace players.

Any consideration to just checking and taking a free card?

Table is very curious as to what you been raising with....
In this case, I would probably just check the turn and re-evaluate the river. Again, I don't like the preflop raise at all in this situation. You have a drawing hand and a tables of fish who think that you're bluffing every hand. Take advantage of that.
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03-27-2012 , 04:58 PM
Villain has an Ace, I probably check and get the free river card.

I could probably justify something like a 70 dollar raise (figuring K, 5, or any diamond gives me a hand I'm ok seeing a showdown with), but in this case I probably won't risk it.
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03-27-2012 , 04:59 PM
Check. You're not barreling anyone off an Ace and if they are drawing, you just out-turned them.
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03-27-2012 , 04:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Fred_1_15301
In this case, I would probably just check the turn and re-evaluate the river. Again, I don't like the preflop raise at all in this situation. You have a drawing hand and a tables of fish who think that you're bluffing every hand. Take advantage of that.
The fish has been demonstrating the ability to fold to $15.00 preflop raises and $30.00 cbets.

If I am playing Techmo Bowl and you can't defend the Randal Cunningham down and a sneak play I am going to keep running it over and over.

Like I said though, the rile level of the fish was very high.
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03-27-2012 , 05:03 PM
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Originally Posted by LotGrinder
The fish has been demonstrating the ability to fold to $15.00 preflop raises and $30.00 cbets.

If I am playing Techmo Bowl and you can't defend the Randal Cunningham down and a sneak play I am going to keep running it over and over.

Like I said though, the rile level of the fish was very high.
Yeah and this is exactly why I would have just called preflop. Also, this is just too nice of a hand, in position in a multi-way pot.
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03-27-2012 , 05:14 PM
BTW, feel free to get rid of the decimals. $15 is a lot easier to read than $15.00, and it's not like you're ever going to raise $15.27.
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03-27-2012 , 05:18 PM
The rest of the table is composed of nits and your average fit or fold players.

Villian 1+2 are both passive, not call station though.
You have $330.00 behind. Villian has $300.00 behind.

Checked to you. What's your play?

Is the villian passive enough to just call with small pp or A-x suited ? There is something about the flop he likes to have called your flop bet since you have so stated that he is not a calling station. A 2/3 pot bet on the turn should give you a good clue as to how far he will be going with this hand assuming that the FD doesn't hit the river.
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03-27-2012 , 05:28 PM
With our FOS image and villains just waiting to limp/reraise us, look us up, etc. I would start changing my game plan and tighten up a bit in LP after multiple limpers. So I wouldn't raise preflop. I might not even overlimp for cheap (I kinda hate suited Kx, but whatever, that's me).

I probably bet less on the flop. If they're going to fold, they'll fold to any "reasonable" bet, so I'd just 1/2 PSB, giving me good odds to see the turn if anyone calls.

I'd check behind on the turn. An A is never going to fold against us. If he called non-believingly on the flop with any other pair, he's still ahead and still might not fold to this non-scary card (which actually did fill in an OESD). If he's on a diamond draw, we probably have him drawing to very few outs. I try to check it to showdown UI.

GcluelessNLnoobG
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03-27-2012 , 05:30 PM
I vote check, but I don't hate betting either. If you bet the turn it should probably be with the plan of shoving the river, whether or not you hit.
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03-27-2012 , 05:38 PM
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Originally Posted by DonkeyDonk
BTW, feel free to get rid of the decimals. $15 is a lot easier to read than $15.00, and it's not like you're ever going to raise $15.27.
God damn, I have to stop doing that.

Sorry everyone.
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03-27-2012 , 05:42 PM
Check back and get paid when you hit. They want to look you up so why bloat the pot? Any K or 5 on river will be disguised, and a diamoond could get called too. Free card all day
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03-27-2012 , 05:44 PM
Pot is $120.

The rile level at the table has reached maximum capacity.

I just know I am going to have to show this hand down.

So I check and peel a free one.
River card is a 5 of spades.

Giving me runner, runner 5's for trips against an opponent I am pretty sure is going to play sheriff.

I checked turn and flush missed, so I look weak.

Its checked to me, how much of Villians money are we going to try to take?

Go....
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03-27-2012 , 05:50 PM
75-80. Vil now has 2 pair and will be curious and our hand looks bluffy
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03-27-2012 , 05:56 PM
I like checking the turn here - most of the things he called the flop with (Ax, sets, two pair, 87, other flush draws) probably won't fold the turn, and you're in bad shape against this range. Take the free card.

$80 on the river after the hand turns out the way it does.
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03-27-2012 , 05:56 PM
Limping preflop, why? Checking turn, why?

Vs passive villains. We should be raising pre, cbetting flop and turn. Too bad the flop doesn't have A
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03-27-2012 , 06:03 PM
I'd check turn and then based on the river I'd bet $100 and likely get someone who think they outkick your ace and/or caught your missed flush draw.
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03-27-2012 , 06:04 PM
As rile level of table increases the strength of the hands they'll call you with decreases.

Keep this in mind when LAGGING and in spots like this.

Rile level is the amount of anger, annoyance, and curiosity level about your cards/the way you're playing.

As I've been employing a LAG style vs nitty/passive tables I've discovered this.
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03-27-2012 , 06:10 PM
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Originally Posted by LotGrinder
As rile level of table increases the strength of the hands they'll call you with decreases.

Keep this in mind when LAGGING and in spots like this.

Rile level is the amount of anger, annoyance, and curiosity level about your cards/the way you're playing.


As I've been employing a LAG style vs nitty/passive tables I've discovered this.
exactly why we take the free card here. we are never getting anyone to fold an ace and it's possible someone is setting you up by letting you have the lead in the hand.
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03-27-2012 , 06:20 PM
check turn, bet large on the river like a bluff. If you runner runner trips its the last hand he will expect and will monkey tilt the players. Your big river bet makes no sense what so ever. I think you will get a call more than not from a large bet.

BTW dont raise that crap preflop.
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03-27-2012 , 06:21 PM
V has ace a lot here. Just check turn.

Now, that was the perfect river. I think 80 is too small OTR after your check. I'm betting pot to make it look like I'm stealing.
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03-27-2012 , 06:22 PM
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Originally Posted by ibelieveinkolb
exactly why we take the free card here. we are never getting anyone to fold an ace and it's possible someone is setting you up by letting you have the lead in the hand.
Yes. The average player adjusts poorly when they are riled.

Keep in mind that not every player adjusts poorly though, sometimes they'll be a competent player that sees wat you're doing to the nit regs + fish and they think its comical. I could just tell by the way this guy insta called my flop bet that he wasn't folding.

So, I put away the double barrel.
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03-27-2012 , 06:40 PM
just saw the river ... shove. if he has the straight or a boat, oh well. he is going to think you are FOS, might as well get max value.
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