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1/2 NL- Bluff river after checking flush card turn? 1/2 NL- Bluff river after checking flush card turn?

08-22-2015 , 12:32 PM
Stakes $1/2 NL
My SS:$280
Seat 10 Villain SS:Over $300
A little backstory, In the 2 hrs I had been playing w/S 10,I noticed he was a very LAG. 3-betting,4-betting w/weak draws,middle/bottom pair or less and have noticed a tendency he has to sometimes insta-fold to a re-raise when he tries a bluff attempt

I'm on Button w/Jh 10d
Villain in SB.

Pot is limped pre.5 players.

Flop: Jd 8d 9h Checked around to me.
I bet $15.
S10 Calls

Turn 3d
He checks. I check behind.I'm putting him on a small flush or middle pair. My idea is to use my tight image in my favor on the river.My thinking is i'm playing this hand like i have A10D/K10D.

River 5c

He bets $30. I'm near certain he has a small flush or maybe a backdoor 2 pair here.After about 30-40 seconds,I make it $85.

Thoughts?

Last edited by Garick; 08-22-2015 at 12:57 PM. Reason: removed results
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08-22-2015 , 12:59 PM
Welcome to the forum, OP. Please don't post results, as it skews people's advice. As I've seen them, I'll refrain from responding. I edited them out.
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08-22-2015 , 01:09 PM
I htink you are underestimating the range of hands you are representing.

I think you are overestimating the chances it even matters to the villain.

I think you are underestimating the number of hands the villain may have

I think you are overestimating this villain's classification as a LAG

I bet/fold this baby until villain asks me not to.

Edit: As played, call river
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08-22-2015 , 01:12 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Garick
Welcome to the forum, OP. Please don't post results, as it skews people's advice. As I've seen them, I'll refrain from responding. I edited them out.
<note to mod redacted>

Last edited by Garick; 08-22-2015 at 01:16 PM. Reason: fixed, thanks for the assist
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08-22-2015 , 01:19 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by SpexDome
I bet/fold this baby until villain asks me not to.

Edit: As played, call river
Totally in agreement with Spex. If he is a lag as stated, then his x/c range on the flop is super wide and you're ahead of a lot of it; get your value while you can. I'd b/f the turn and bet the river a good amount of the time.

As played, you turned a bluff catcher into a pure bluff and didn't really give him that tough a decision with your sizing. His x/r looks exactly as you stated, but he's just not folding for that sizing.

After he showed the flush I'd take away his LAG card and start abusing the button with the understanding that he's making value mistakes oop.
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08-22-2015 , 01:33 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Garick
Welcome to the forum, OP. Please don't post results, as it skews people's advice. As I've seen them, I'll refrain from responding. I edited them out.
Sorry.wont happen again
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08-22-2015 , 01:41 PM
Not that big a deal, you'll just get much better and more diverse advise if it's not (even subliminally) results oriented.
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08-22-2015 , 02:51 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by kcb5523
Stakes $1/2 NL
My SS:$280
Seat 10 Villain SS:Over $300
A little backstory, In the 2 hrs I had been playing w/S 10,I noticed he was a very LAG. 3-betting,4-betting w/weak draws,middle/bottom pair or less and have noticed a tendency he has to sometimes insta-fold to a re-raise when he tries a bluff attempt

I'm on Button w/Jh 10d
Villain in SB.

Pot is limped pre.5 players.

Flop: Jd 8d 9h Checked around to me.
I bet $15.
S10 Calls

Turn 3d
He checks. I check behind.I'm putting him on a small flush or middle pair. My idea is to use my tight image in my favor on the river.My thinking is i'm playing this hand like i have A10D/K10D.

River 5c

He bets $30. I'm near certain he has a small flush or maybe a backdoor 2 pair here.After about 30-40 seconds,I make it $85.

Thoughts?
GRUNCH

Bet/fold turn.
If V then checks river, take the free show down.

As played, I probably fold the river. Feels a lot like V missed a check raise on the turn. One pair is no good. I'm def not raising to try to get V to fold a small flush or two pair. Low limit NL players don't fold small flushes or two pair. They just don't. And trying to get them to do so will cost you a lot of money.

You'll make more money at LLSNL value betting and getting called by worse than you ever will by bluffing and stealing pots. Most of the time you think you're bluffing, you're bluffing with the best hand and they don't have anything to call you with.
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08-22-2015 , 03:45 PM
I bet/fold the turn mostly.

Occassionally I check the turn to induce against bluffy opponents.
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08-22-2015 , 03:52 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dutchstreetfish
GRUNCH

Bet/fold turn.
If V then checks river, take the free show down.

As played, I probably fold the river. Feels a lot like V missed a check raise on the turn. One pair is no good. I'm def not raising to try to get V to fold a small flush or two pair. Low limit NL players don't fold small flushes or two pair. They just don't. And trying to get them to do so will cost you a lot of money.

You'll make more money at LLSNL value betting and getting called by worse than you ever will by bluffing and stealing pots. Most of the time you think you're bluffing, you're bluffing with the best hand and they don't have anything to call you with.
I %100 need to value bet better/extract more $$ from my bigger hands.
I tell myself before every session to try not to do anything too crazy b/c its $1/$2 & people don't fold. But then I see a situation I think I can exploit,or I'm just feeling more confident in myself then I should, and I make a play. Sometimes it works,other times it's an epic fail
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08-22-2015 , 04:09 PM
If you're trying to rep a high flush bet ott. Probably raise pre also.
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08-23-2015 , 01:02 AM
Why are you turning a hand with show down value into a bluff? What better hands than yours do you expect to fold to a raise?
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08-23-2015 , 02:23 AM
Your river raise has a better chance of getting called by a worse hand than getting better to fold. After you check back the turn, you're repping nothing by raising river.
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