Friday daytime during WSOPc Circuit event. Room is full of bustouts but most playing 2/5. Current game is soft with 2 capable opponents. Rest relatively passive and not what i would consider "capable" of doing something crazy

V #1 (UTG) - $250
Hero (UTG +2) - $600
V #2 (Button) - $150

8 handed.

Reads

I had just comeback from going to bathroom.

V1 must have sat down while i was gone, Was within his first 5 hands. No Read/history. Older Asian in 50's. Looked rather straight forward, not like a spazzy degen asian

V2 middle aged man. Calls very loose pre and seen him get it in with air on a check-raise bluff

Hero - Me, young, max buy in, and had been running good with all premium hands. Showdowns over past 2 hrs had been 99+ and flopping awesome.

Preflop

V1 UTG Limps ($2) , UTG+1 Folds, Hero Raises to ($14) w/ KJ, V2 Button Calls, V1 UTG Calls

Flop
Q84 POT $45

V1 UTG checks, Hero checks, V2 Button checks

Turn
K

V1 checks, Hero bets ($18), V2 folds, V1 Calls

River
K POT $81

V1 bets ($60), Hero ????

Any advice on how I misplayed this hand pls. I feel as if i did something incorrect + didnt have any read/history on opponent.

You played it fine IMO. Call river.

Call.. Definitely don't raise.. If he has QQ, AK or QK it's a cooler, no biggie.. You had no reason to bet the flop and after that you played it fine.

I am not a fan of your pre flop with KJo from UTG+ 2.

KJo gets you in a lot of marginal spots. You end up making crying calls when you are crushed.

AP. call river.

agree with everything here

The preflop play in these boards is awful. KJo is an awful hand to have UTG. I'd play two rags before playing KJo.

1) fold pre.
2) Bet flop. Seriously? The only people who call flop have a Q, a flush, a Kc or an Ac. that's an extremely tiny range.
3) as played, bet more on turn. You bet 1/3rd pot? bet 25 on turn.
4) as played, snapcall. He either had the flush on the flop, or he has a K, most likely with a worse kicker.
5) pick up your chips and go to the borgata.

shove river for value

Fold pre, certainly don't raise.

I like a c bet here 3 ways to the flop for 25.

Turn is an obv bet although 18 was too little. Should be 25-30 to limit flush draw callers.

River is an easy call. No reason to spew with a reraise here. What is calling a reraise that is worse than another king? If V1 is straightforward and not spazzy he probably isn't sitting there with K6, K7, etc. His king range tends towards good ones. Not much value in raising him.

Everyone is stating to call the river, no one is saying what we're expecting to beat when we do so. We really beat basically nothing here. Flopped flushes, flopped sets, KQ, AK all beat us. If he has another Kx hand, keep in mind that it has to be offsuit for us to win, since it automatically has the K of clubs in it. So, you're basically calling 3/4 pot hoping that he has one of a handful of hands - KTo, K9o, or total air, as opposed to the many that are beating us.

Check flop, check/call turn, lead river is a pretty standard new/recreational/bad player line with a big hand that wants to "slowplay". Looks like exactly what that is here. This is often how someone random would play 88 or a flopped flush or whatever, and remember we have zero information on Villain. I'd fold.

Then why are we calling? To beat what? We beat KTo and K9o and chop with KJo, any other "good King" beats us, as it's full or has us kicked, or is a flush if it were suited.

Good that you included this, but it's irrelevant in the hand, Villain hasn't seen any of it happen, he's been at the table for 5 hands.

Also keep in mind that it's a total lock that the Ac and Kc are still in the deck. Villain 2 had neither of these, considering he folded the turn for $18 into $63.

This was basically exactly what I was thinking.

I wasnt quite sure what I was necessarily beating. And in this 1/2 game. A line like this seems pretty standard for someone trying to slowplay flopping a flush. Althought KT K9 is a possibility I just dont see a lead out for 3/4 of the pot on river to be that type of hand. That would more than likely be a check bc hes afraid of the flush

As per my PF play. That may have been my fault for making it 14 relatively early. Although my reasoning was there was only one "capable" player at table. Everyone else was incredibly passive post.

Thanks guys. Any more feedback would be great

Oh and as per me playing at Caesars. Suprisingly enough I was staying at Borgata. But the 1/2 games are much softer at smaller casinos in my opinion. I play 2/5 NL and 1/2/5 PLO at borgata. Just my personal opinion/experience

betting in a multiway pot with K high no draw when the others can have Kc, Ac on top of pairs, sets, two pairs is awful.
don't fold pre - if you feel you have an edge on the rest of the table then raising KJo is fine if you know when to not go crazy with it. Considering you are thinking of folding KJ here, I would say you meet that criteria.

fold pre- kjo oop is terrible

call river

he probably has a king

pls come play.

I'm not a god on these forums or anything, and you can post whatever you want regardless of what I post, but I fired off a detailed breakdown above of how this is extremely unlikely because there are almost no King hands we beat.

Grunching ...

Snap call as played.

PF - fold/call is about 50-50 imo, especially given an unknown opponent. Only raising if targeting him as LP.

I can't find a call here. So far, you're into it for $32.00. Get out now as it's still cheap. The only reasonable hand you beat is (K, Tx) and would your villain call with that pre?

That river bet is especially nasty looking as it's into a monotone board, so he's telling us he does not fear a flush. I'd expect he'll show you (K, Qx) full if you call. He was trying to make the sub-nuts on the cheap and picked up a different hand.

If you're gonna raise KJ-off early, then it's best to know when to get rid of it before it gets you into trouble.

so you're saying 1) he shouldn't play KJ and 2) villain has a worse hand than KJ here
wat

You guys realize villain can be bluffing too, right? FWIW, if I thought villain only had a value range here, I would fold.

I would size it bigger on the turn, thats a pretty small bet. Also nobody mentioned villain can have a boat. Lots of 1/2 players play sets very slow on monotone boards so I think it is definately part of his range.

This for 1.

Bet flop and barrel turn and/or river depending on texture and reads.. is better than checking flop, especially since your goal was isolating against passive opponents.

As played call river if you think villain has a bluffing frequency is greater than the math that says it needs 2 be (60 into 76 so like 2.26 to 1.. not sure if this is right at all tho lol)

I lean towards fold at the moment but if you add more KcX hands to villains value range (which his hand looks like ott) than I could call river since it looks like you never have a flush and he could conceivably bet worse Kx for value

Well, of course he can be bluffing, people can always be bluffing. The question is how often someone is bluffing. What percentage of the time do you want to assign air to him here? 10%? 15%? This would be high IMO, and still wouldn't be enough when added to his worse-than-KJ-value-range, because we've already made it clear he can have almost no worse trips.

I would probably make a crying call here for a few reasons. I play quite aggressively, which cause a lot of villains to play back at me, and when they see I am capable of betting a flop and folding the turn, they start thinking I'm a wuss and when they try to push me around at the wrong time, I get their stack...kind of a long-term metagame that usually plays itself out gradually over the course of a few hour session. As a result, I have to call a lot of river bets, and I find myself hearing "Good Call" very often when a villain has suddenly "woken up" on the river...In general, I lean much more heavily toward folding on the turn and calling on the river for a number of reasons that I can go into in moer detail if anyone is interested.

The player has checked the flop, check/called the turn, and led into the river. so EITHER, he is a decent player, thus he CAN NOT have KQ, a set (turned into FH), or a flopped flush (which narrows his range to something like AK, KJ, KT, and occasional bluff), OR he is an awful player, and he CAN have any Kx, even as low as K2 in his silly fishy range.

I agree with this. But i also think that trips is enough to call and expect to see him turn over some sort of fish bluff garbage like Ac or a gutshot, or some awful preflop hand like K6 at least 30% of the time.

I doubt he has a total nonsense offsuit King as often as you think, this is really doing nothing but calling and hoping, it's not based on anything. If you want to assign people ranges that include a ton of K3o in preflop raised pots, then you could pretty much argue calling any hand anytime on the river.