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12-15-2013 , 10:41 AM

Olaff

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$200 eff. I have AQo in UTG+1 and raise to $17 (table is a bit crazy so I raise bigger). Nitty guy in MP calls and donk in HJ calls.

Flop: Q66r

I figure flop is super dry and I check.

1) Is this FPS?
2) If MP bets into my check, would you flat or reraise and if reraise how much?

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12-15-2013 , 11:01 AM

tensor0910

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Think this is read dependent. If villian is weak post flop I may put in a smallish raise or check to keep in broadways and 77-JJ, bckdr straights and possibly Ax hands. if I've been cbettng a lot and villian is decent ill probably put in 3/4-4/5th cbet to make it look like I want to end the hand. So yeh its all villian based

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12-15-2013 , 11:03 AM

TripleH68

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Flop is dry. Nitty guy just missed with nearly his entire range. He is going to miss the turn with nearly his entire range also. If nitty guy never stabs at pots here with hands like 77-JJ but may peel one with them I like a bet otf. Just play this one straightforward almost all the time and set the price.

If HJ calls pre with a wide range guess what? He missed with nearly his entire range also.

I guess my point is if you are going to be c-betting this flop with AK then just bet with AQ also.

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12-15-2013 , 11:04 AM

tensor0910

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#2 if villian bets my chk I'm flattting 80% of time. If vil is sticky postflop I may reraise and guess he's stickng wih worse q's or mid pps. But reraising screems TP or KK-AA.

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12-15-2013 , 11:10 AM

Jmrode67

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Not FPS at all, a super standard line HU on this texture ( obv bet/bet/bet line is fine too & probably better at llsnl where there's more value in people over playing/calling too much with 22-JJ ). Check/call and turn either check raise or check call. Lead river when checked back on turn.

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12-15-2013 , 11:23 AM

spikeraw22

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Never raising.

I'm much more apt to check tptk when I'm heads up. I also can do it on the turn a lot too if I don't think I'm get in three streets and the board is dry.

The current state of my game is such that a lot of the reggy players have stopped believing I have anything ever so cbetting for value is pretty optimal. If this is your dynamic then betting is the way to go. I'd say its more likely that these two don't have that read however. IF you check it's with the intent of calling a bet now and getting them to pay off one more later. I'd still usually cbet this against two players however.

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12-15-2013 , 11:41 AM

trucdouf

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Cbet if that's what you normally do.

If not check call decent bets to get some info.

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12-16-2013 , 06:14 AM

pure_aggression

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Bet like 1/3 pot to possibly get a call from mid pairs and KQ, QJ.

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12-16-2013 , 10:57 AM

hfrog355

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C-betting ~$30 100% of the time.

1. It's not necessarily that it's FPS to check here, it's just that there's no reason to. You would be (or should be) c-betting nearly your entire range here, so why wouldn't you do it when you're betting for value?

2. I would not be raising if that gets bet into after you check. You're basically ensuring that the majority of V's continuation range has you beat in that instance.

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12-16-2013 , 12:42 PM

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Olaff

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Originally Posted by hfrog355

C-betting ~$30 100% of the time.

1. It's not necessarily that it's FPS to check here, it's just that there's no reason to. You would be (or should be) c-betting nearly your entire range here, so why wouldn't you do it when you're betting for value?

Ehmm because most likely both of them have nothing and I'm giving them an opportunity to catch up a little and letting the donk bluff if he wants.

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12-16-2013 , 12:47 PM

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hfrog355

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What hands do you think you're currently ahead of that will catch up enough (but not overcome you) to give you enough money to compensate for the times when you miss value vs Qx?

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12-20-2013 , 10:03 AM

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Olaff

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Originally Posted by hfrog355

What hands do you think you're currently ahead of that will catch up enough (but not overcome you) to give you enough money to compensate for the times when you miss value vs Qx?

Hmm... good question. I'm having difficulty coming up with any...

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12-20-2013 , 10:08 AM

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allinontheriver

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Great thread!

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12-20-2013 , 12:14 PM

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AbqDave

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Originally Posted by spikeraw22

The current state of my game is such that a lot of the reggy players have stopped believing I have anything ever so cbetting for value is pretty optimal. If this is your dynamic then betting is the way to go.

This x100. This is why I feel you should bluff the flop at least some, even at the lower limits. Heck, especially at the lower limits, where there are very few players who know how to exploit this line. Otherwise you have to take trappy lines to hide the strength of your hand.

Beyond that the nit in MP is either going to call or not. Most likely the loose guy in HJ pays you off. Might as well bet. You can check the turn if you want, again reinforcing the narrative that you never have "it" when you bet the flop, thereby setting up a loose call otr.

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