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02-17-2018 , 02:38 PM
1/2 NL. Table has been operating for an hour, hero moved from a ten handed table to play eight handed in new table because previous table was one of the tightest he's ever played at and not profitable.

Hero ($250, BTN): Hero has a mixed image. Of his six opponents, two are regs and probably view him as slightly looser than he actually is, but generally view him as a TAG player. Two of the other opponents are people hero has never seen in his life and the other two are opponents hero hasn't played against in months and only has minimal experience against.

Villain 1 ($175, HJ): Villain 1 is a MAWG reg. Villain 1 and hero play against each other minimally once a week, usually twice or thrice a week. Hero and villain 1 have hundreds of hours playing against each other. Villain 1 is EXTREMELY loose pre flop. He will raise it with J6o, 52o, and obvious hands like AK, etc. Villain 1 generally plays pretty good post flop, but has lots of bluffs in his range. He will bluff all in on the flop/turn a lot, but also does have two pairs, sets, and sometimes better in his flop/turn shoving range. His shoving range is generally very balanced between bluffs and made hands. Villain 1 has an unlimited bankroll, as hero has seen him be in for as much as around $2000, and when buying in for around the tenth time, he pulled out his wallet and hero could see he had at least another $5000 in there. Villain 1 is a winning player though and only starts playing bad poker when he's four or so buy ins in and gets tilted. Villain 1 is on his second buy in. Whenever villain 1 raises it pre flop, it's always to either $12 or $15.

Villain 2 ($250, SB): Villain 2 is a late 30's/early 40's WG. Villain 2 has just sat down at the table. He has been there for four hands and won one hand that didn't get to showdown; hence, why villain 2 has over 100BB. Hero has no reads on villain 2 and has never played with him before.

OTTH

UTG +1 limps, MP1 limps, MP2 limps, villain 1 raises it to $12, CO (with $200) calls, hero calls with 67, SB calls and everyone else folds.

Flop ($56) 3 5 6.

Villain 1 ships it, CO folds, hero?? Remember that villain 1 has a very balanced range of bluffs and made hands, and hero has top pair, gutshot straight draw, and a backdoor flush draw. It's hard to believe that villain 1 flopped a straight, because why would he open shove the flop like that? I can't imagine villain 2 has TT-AA, because we can assume he'd 3! pre, right?
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02-17-2018 , 03:28 PM
This could be so many things I am typically going to fold this. Depending on his 3betting tendencies this could be 77-JJ and any other random 2 pair and sets.

He could also be spazing out with 34, 54, 64, 78.

Could be 24 as well if he is really as loose pre flop as you say he is.

I let this go the majority of the time.
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02-17-2018 , 04:24 PM
No reads I muck and don't worry about it but villain information makes a big difference here.

My inclination is to call if the guy has say half air and half real hands/draws because we have outs against real hands and crush air. What concerns me is that this is multiway which tends to strengthen shipping ranges a lot.

Really this is a range problem, so what do you put him on? Bust out Equilab or another range solver and see how you look. If he's got a lot of air, like I say, we should be good to call.
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02-17-2018 , 05:50 PM
Standard fold
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02-17-2018 , 09:02 PM
Sigh fold. Better spots based upon specific V description.

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02-17-2018 , 09:14 PM
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Originally Posted by WereBeer
No reads I muck and don't worry about it but villain information makes a big difference here.

My inclination is to call if the guy has say half air and half real hands/draws because we have outs against real hands and crush air. What concerns me is that this is multiway which tends to strengthen shipping ranges a lot.

Really this is a range problem, so what do you put him on? Bust out Equilab or another range solver and see how you look. If he's got a lot of air, like I say, we should be good to call.
I put him on either complete air or a set/two pair. There is no way in hell he's shoving with the straight, as he usually plays the nuts in a different manner and probably would've even checked it. However, he is fully capable of shoving with 10 high or shoving with two pair or a set for value/protection.
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02-17-2018 , 10:06 PM
Calling the shove here seems like FPS for sure. I feel like we need to be deeper to call pre. With these stacks 3/bet to $60 or fold.
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02-18-2018 , 02:25 PM
Spoiler:
Hero sees villain 1's range very balanced between bluffs and made hands. He also sees it as entirely possible that villain 1 has an open ended straight draw, to which hero has blockers. He doesn't think villain 2 has an over pair for the reasons stated earlier.
After hero calls, villain 2 calls. The run out is Q 10. Villain 1 flips over 3
5, hero flips his hand over, villain 2 flips over 3 4 and hero takes the side pot. Villain 2 says "wow, you guys are both ****ing awful players. It's honestly laughable, jesus christ," and then leaves the table.
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02-18-2018 , 02:51 PM
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Originally Posted by thin_slicing
This could be so many things I am typically going to fold this. Depending on his 3betting tendencies this could be 77-JJ and any other random 2 pair and sets.

He could also be spazing out with 34, 54, 64, 78.

Could be 24 as well if he is really as loose pre flop as you say he is.

I let this go the majority of the time.
Agree. I'm dumping this, we just don't beat that much.

I do really enjoy being berated a player when I make a correct "bad" call against him, but still not quite sure I have enough LOL equity here.
Glad it worked out for you.
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02-18-2018 , 04:04 PM
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Originally Posted by cheesefist
Agree. I'm dumping this, we just don't beat that much.

I do really enjoy being berated a player when I make a correct "bad" call against him, but still not quite sure I have enough LOL equity here.
Glad it worked out for you.
I actually lost about $100, because I only won the side pot. I don't really understand why people have to act like that too, considering he called after a shove and a call. I have never flipped on anyone or got really emotional at the table.
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