3 limps to the drunk, falling asleep bro who's been folding, he shoves for $163. I cover w/AKs in the SB. ???

snap call - or go all in, up to you

Shove

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Shove

Shove or get up and leave in shame

This

High five dealer allin from me in this spot: you have drunkys range crushed with big slick suited.

This is almost like free money to you, its those kind of scenarios you dream of-almost like presents. If your scared to get your money in the middle in these spots your playing underrolled.

Fold. Why flip (best case imo) for 80bb? You said V's been folding. Drunk DNE unable to read his own hand.

Of course snap if you've seen him do this with Q4o before.

Gilmour - we don't know if we've got his range crushed if all we know is he's been folding.

I think when we are drunk we still play hand ranges similar but with added confidence that we overplay them.

I went in a casino drunk one night and sat down and got dealt kings first or second hand and thought they think I'm p***ed and don't know what I'm doing so I shoved got called and won. Few hands later I hit trip fives and done it again by this time people realised when I ship I was strong that they folded the other five to me (his was better). Wasn't long before people started to trap me and stack me.

People play differently when they're drunk but I'd think the all in shove after folding several hands is strong but that doesn't necessarily mean your in bad shape.

I think personally your probably better off waiting for a better situation to get the chips.

+1

Fold.

You are correct: we dont know for sure 100 percent that we have his range crushed. Nothing in poker is 100 percent, at least very few things. We just have to make assumptions with the info that we have.

When drunky open ships here preflop after 3 limpers i for sure think AK is smashing that range- chances of him doing this with KK or AA is there of course, but i mean come on. He is probably doing this move with a relative wide range. I would not be surprised to see hands like AQ or AJ suited here, along with some pocket pairs like 10-10 or JJ, and occasionally some random spew also like 10-J suited or 7-8. I mean, drunk sleepy player here is like a loose cannon on the ship: he is probably capable of shoving wider than we think here.

My main point is that we have his range crushed and no way on earth i am folding to AK suited to drunky for 80 BB. Its just dont going to happen.

Thanks for the feedback. Even at the table, I thought his range was very pair-heavy, but if he could also have AQ, AQs, AJs, JTs, etc then it's a clear call. What I didn't take into consideration was the chance of the BB or limpers having a monster. Luckily none of them did.

I called, flopped an A, turned a K...and he showed AA. I also didn't consider AA or KK as part of his range, especially since I had one of each. DOH.

You putting in 162 to win 332. You need to 48.8% equity to call assuming there's no rake.

Even if has lowly pocket fives you need to fold, so this is the easiest fold in the world.

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 48.034% 47.80% 00.24% 19641864 98004.00 { AKs }
Hand 1: 51.966% 51.73% 00.24% 21257424 98004.00 { 55 }

AK looks good preflop when there's lots of dead money in the pot.

We have three pieces of information Gilmour -

1. He folds several times indicating he's unlikely to be shoving with trash

2. He's drunk so does not think as clearly as most. When I was drunk I overplayed my hands when I thought I was in front. Doesn't mean he will though.

3. He's open shoved all in. This says he doesn't mind to play for all of his chips indicating some kind of strength.

This to me puts the guy at the top end of his range as we have no reason to think otherwise. Just because the guy has been drinking doesn't suggest he will shove light and unless as a previous poster suggested we see him shipping with hands like Q4o we should assume strength.

1 and 3 show the strength of the hand and 2 just tells me to expect the unexpected.

Board:
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 47.472% 36.38% 11.09% 97179348 29627040.00 { JJ+, AQs+, AQo+ }
Hand 1: 52.528% 41.44% 11.09% 110685996 29627040.00 { AKs }

Not folding.
Likely calling as opposed to shoving, but I could be convinced that shoving is better.

So much aids in this post. Easy call/shove. We block some AA/KK combos, dominate a decent portion of his range and are flipping with the rest.

I bet a lot of people didn't know that if Villain's range was 100% under-cards, including non-paired undercards, that we couldn't profitably call in this spot (I even included the 24suited from a recent thread):

Board:
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 51.598% 51.39% 00.21% 161895624 670818.00 { QQ-66, 42s }
Hand 1: 48.402% 48.19% 00.21% 151826676 670818.00 { AKs }

Um. Except that the more combos of under cards you add, the better off we are...

I really don't get what youre trying to say, please stove it against an actual range that he might have instead of just pp's and 1 random non paired hand. I bet if you throw AQ and AJ in there along with AA and KK it turns into a pretty simple call

I disagree, I say we have 4 pieces of information. The 4th piece of information, and imo the most crucial, is that the guy is falling asleep drunk. There is a huge difference between your standard drunk and your falling asleep drunk. To me against a standard drunk it's a fold, against a falling asleep drunk it's a call/shove.

honestly if the only information that you give me is that a drunk guy open shoved for 80 bbs and we woke up with AK, I would be fist pump getting it in, regardless of if he is falling asleep or not. Would take a lot of info for me to consider folding

LOL, yes, if you construct ridiculous ranges you can make this a fold. Against any reasonably constructed range (including worse Aces, hands like KQs, etc) this is a snap get it in. Whether to call or jam depends on effective stacks.

If yuo're worrying about the 1-2% chance a someone who a) hasn't acted, or b) has limped has AK beat youre playing scared IMO.

It's the falling asleep that would make me worry. People who are eating, sleeping or intently engaged in any activity who then wake up and play a hand, in my experience, have big hands. Against a random loud drunk, I'm shoving. Against sleeping beauty, I have to think about it.

I tend to agree drunk who wants to sleep is more likely to be stronger than the drunk who messes around. But I don't think it is necessarily relevant anyway other than as I said previous to expect the unexpected.

If we had reason to believe he was shoving light by constantly playing this way we have to make a stand. Because its the first time he has done it after folding folding folding we have to give him credit for a decent hand and its a question of how good. The same way as if a sober guy had sat down and played exactly the same way.

I would read it strong and lay down hoping for a better opportunity and if it happened a second time possibly call. With AK though we are rarely far behind so even if we have made a mistake by calling I wouldn't beat myself up too much.

Forget he's drunk treat him as an unknown.