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Old 05-31-2014, 06:44 AM   #1
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1/2 NL AK got stepped on

Hero - $450 stack, young asian hoodie guy, just doubled up with KK on J 10 7 board against another young kid.

Villain - $200 stack. 50 yr old red hat asian dad, been playing tight all game, only shows goodies, doesn't bluff as far as I'm aware of.

2 limps, LAG guy on dealer raises to 20, hero in SB with AKo calls, villain in BB calls, limper in LP calls.

Reason why I didn't 3 bet here is because im OOP and i thought I would be the only caller, and after reading some book, it taught to play AK safetly, so I went ahead and just called because you only hit 35% of the time and LAG aggro guy is a reg and he might put me all in wit a $300 stack in which I do not want to flip for. And his range is wide, so I'm way ahead most of the time PF.

Flop comes:

A 10 3 rainbow

hero check, villain in BB bets 50, 2 folds, Hero??

Villain never has a set here, if he does he woulda checked, so it came down to a weaker Ace, maybe A10? but thats a bit cutting it.

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Old 05-31-2014, 07:40 AM   #2
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Re: 1/2 NL AK got stepped on

I'm ok with not 3-betting AK, for very much the reason you give. Plenty of folks will disagree with this. Like limping, 3-betting AK is debateable (lol, people will even debate whether it's debateable).

Check/raise full potish otf, which is ~180, so just shove.

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Last edited by bulls_horn; 05-31-2014 at 07:44 AM. Reason: I meant limping in general. There's no debate limping AK is horrible
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Old 05-31-2014, 08:14 AM   #3
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Re: 1/2 NL AK got stepped on

Any particular reason why we are checking the flop here? Were you hoping to get a donk bet from the lag OTB? Might have not made a difference in the final result, but I think I would lead out for value most of the time in this spot.

As played, you got the donk bet you wanted so shove. Way too many weaker aces in his range to do otherwise.
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Old 05-31-2014, 09:20 AM   #4
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Re: 1/2 NL AK got stepped on

what's the problem, you got your money in as a nearly 9:1 favorite.
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Old 05-31-2014, 09:27 AM   #5
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what's the problem, you got your money in as a nearly 9:1 favorite.
Yes. You didn't 3,bet ak preflop and that does have an effect. It hides the strength of your hand and allows you to GII with weaker aces who would provably fold to a 3 bet.

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Old 05-31-2014, 10:08 AM   #6
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Re: 1/2 NL AK got stepped on

Even though he only has 130 left would he fold Ax? Pretty dry flop.

I might flat here and donk the turn.
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Old 05-31-2014, 11:06 AM   #7
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Re: 1/2 NL AK got stepped on

Vs a true LAG, ak is a slam dunk 3b here oop 100% of the time. If he has 300 effective, I'm 3b to 70-80 every time. Your reason for not 3b being you're oop doesn't make sense to me, seems like that should be a reason in favor of 3b rather than against.

Fine As played, you don't make this thread if v doesn't hit a 9.
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Old 05-31-2014, 11:43 AM   #8
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Re: 1/2 NL AK got stepped on

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Vs a true LAG, ak is a slam dunk 3b here oop 100% of the time. If he has 300 effective, I'm 3b to 70-80 every time. Your reason for not 3b being you're oop doesn't make sense to me, seems like that should be a reason in favor of 3b rather than against.

Fine As played, you don't make this thread if v doesn't hit a 9.
This. LAG makes it $20 on the button, his range is very wide. You are WAY ahead of his range. Easy 3bet for value, and initiative.

And if he is a semi-competent LAG, and your image isn't spewy, he isn't going to want to play a big pot even if he calls, and doesn't smash the flop.
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Old 05-31-2014, 12:58 PM   #9
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Re: 1/2 NL AK got stepped on

I totally understand the arguments to 3bet AK here, but I gota say im leaning towards agreeing with OP and the other dude to not 3-bet AK OOP. It sometimes can over commit us OOP and then if we miss the flop, then lead out at the pot on the flop, against a LAG OTB who may put it in with anything, it can turn into a total spew.

After flatting the AK pre, I dont like checking the flop though. Im going to lead out there. As played, I like the shove, sorry he turned a 9.
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Old 05-31-2014, 03:09 PM   #10
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Curious what line you guys that advocate 3B preflop vs LP LAG have planned for the hand. How big of a 3B? If LAG calls, obviously we are committing if A or K flops but how do you proceed on flop if no A or K, you c-bet and he calls, etc...
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Old 05-31-2014, 03:22 PM   #11
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Re: 1/2 NL AK got stepped on

So your saying its incorrect to 3 bet a loose opener with a hand like AK OOP? So if your opponent was tighter you would prefer to 3 bet him with AK? Against a guy like this you are more likely to get 3 bet calls from weaker aces and other hands that will miss on the flop. Don't forget that he is going to miss the flop a lot as well and be in spots where he is going to have to make a cbet call with overs. Most of the time he would probably fold to your 3 bet or fold to your bet on the flop. I would double barrel turns in where I pick up equity as a general statement, but a lot of it would come down to game play and how the villain is acting at the table. So if it came Q82 and the turn was a j or T I barrel depending on what I think his range is.
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Old 05-31-2014, 03:26 PM   #12
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Re: 1/2 NL AK got stepped on

This is the easiest 3 bet in the world preflop.
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Old 05-31-2014, 10:21 PM   #13
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Why wouldn't you want to flip for $300 against a LAG when you have AKo? It's +EV. Are you playing underrolled?

I would raise to $150 otf.
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Old 06-01-2014, 12:29 AM   #14
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Re: 1/2 NL AK got stepped on

I would probably normally 3! this PF as well to get it heads up, but in playing devil's advocate for a moment, is there any merit to flatting to keep our range wide? Or does the prospect of three other villain's tagging along neutralize the benefit of not defining our hand as much?
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