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1/2 NL - AA utg in straddled pot, 4 villains to the flop 1/2 NL - AA utg in straddled pot, 4 villains to the flop

03-26-2014 , 05:37 AM
Just sat down from other table, no information on anyone at table. Was playing tight at other table for about 4 hours.

Hero $240 utg
V1 $400 utg+1
V2 $800 MP
V3 $650 SB
V4 $550 BB
V5 $380 straddler


V5 staddles to $4, Hero makes it $24 with AA utg. V1 utg+1 calls, V2 MP calls, V3 SB calls, V4 BB calls, V5 folds

Flop : Pot = $114


Qh 7d 6c


Hero makes it $70, V1 calls, V2 calls, V3 folds, V4 folds.

Turn : Pot = $324

3c

Hero checks, V1 makes it $130, V2 calls, Hero?

At this point I have to believe im beat, im putting one of these guys on a set. Is it worth shoving here I have about $140 behind? What hands can I beat? I figure Aq is unlikely here, could I of done something differently in this hand?

Thoughts and comments appreciated, cheers
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03-26-2014 , 06:23 AM
Flop bet is way too small .. You need to pot this or just shove. Other option would be to c/r shove which is probably better with your stack size. Once you get that many callers against a UTG 6x opening bet you need to realize that this is a loose table and they will call any bet you make if they decide to stay in the hand.

AP your Turn check (along with your c-bet) looks weak in comparison to your PF raise. I think V1 has Qx and V2 is drawing or Qx so I think you can call it off here with fingers crossed.

They have no clue how you play, right? As a short stack at a new table I wouldve looked to limp/raise PF or shoved/over-bet Flop and lived with the results. GL
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03-26-2014 , 08:14 AM
As played, call. Ahead of QX and draws, behind 76 and 54, however turn check underreps your hand.

Pre - ok.
Flop - a bit more.
Turn - AI. With the straddle you are effectively playing 60 bbs. I'd commit on this board, AQ/KQ may call.

Bad luck if you run into a straight, still have a couple/few outs vs. set & 2pr.
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03-26-2014 , 10:02 AM
I think you played the hand really well.

If we are checking this turn, I'm assuming it's to Fold. I don't like c/c here. Shoving the turn, rather than checking, would have been best IMO.
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03-26-2014 , 10:06 AM
Pre is fine.
Flop is fine.
If there was a 2flush on the board, I would go more around $100.

Turn should be a ship for he $130 that we have left.
If people are calling pre with $24 with 54s, god bless. I'll take their money next time.
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03-26-2014 , 11:00 AM
as played pre and on the flop, I lean toward shoving the turn for your last 140. It does suck having that many villains though.

If it's a pretty loose aggressive table, I really actually like a limp/reraise in a straddled pot with your stack size. I.e., If you think V1 or V2 could possibly have made a raise like that or large after you limped, and the others all still call, you could make a nice cut on this hand without ever seeing a flop with a squeeze jam

i.e. you limp for 4 V1 makes it 24, V2 calls, V3 calls, V4 calls, V5 calls, and all of a sudden there's 120 in the pot and it's 20 for you to call and you can jam for 236 more. If you were much deeper it wouldn't really work, but it's a lot nicer than having to play AA against so many oppoents oop

This is of course table dependent, but straddled pots often encourage a lot of dead money preflop since people tend to clal raises light to be part of a big pot.
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03-26-2014 , 11:13 AM
wait, why are we beat?

c/shoving turn and feeling pretty good about it
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03-26-2014 , 11:42 AM
When we go to the flop there is $116 in and we have $214 behind for an effective SPR of ~ 1.8. Even in a multiway pot I don't think we should be too upset about getting it in with an overpair when Vs can call with Qx and flopped OESDs (54 and 98).

If someone has 66 they got 10:1 implied odds pre when they hit at a rate of 7.5:1 and get paid off less than half the time they hit (ie we don't pay off with KK on A56 flops, don't pay off with AK on J56, stack them with AA on A96r, slow down with any overpair on 567ccc, etc). So in the short run good for them, but in the long run good for us.
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03-26-2014 , 02:33 PM
Just shove the turn yourself and well played. Get it in now. Not a scary board.
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03-26-2014 , 02:34 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by matzah_ball
Just shove the turn yourself and well played. Get it in now. Not a scary board.
x2, never folding given SPR, board, and almost half stack already in.
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03-26-2014 , 07:58 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by MartinZemoney
I think your beat a bunch of people called some ****** thinks pot odds and **** is good called with like Q 6 off or 6 3 or 7 6 for sure you are beat here. Disgustingly look at your hand before throwing it away. I don't know what they could have where they don't have you beat.
???

89, some combo draw, tons of Qx, 88-JJ, etc etc.

You think they're more likely to show up with Q6o here than AQ?
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03-26-2014 , 08:39 PM
In a spot where it seems like there are people in both camps as to whether it's an easy get it in on turn or fold, I think it's important to look at the math.

The pot is $324 and we have $146 left. Then V1 makes it $130 and V2 calls. That makes the pot $584 and we have about that left and if we get it it in our hand only has to be good only 20% of the time by the river for getting it in to be profitable.

In this case you must be VERY certain that your opponents have you beat before we can throw our hand way. And the only hand that has us drawing dead is 54.

As played, I'm getting it in on the turn.
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03-26-2014 , 10:55 PM
Pre is fine. Flop bet is okay as you want to get called by a Q, I would consider string a little more maybe 80. A Q will call you.

The turn check is poor in my opinion. You don't have much behind. It's a 1/3 PSB.
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03-27-2014 , 01:15 AM
I probably jam the turn myself due to SPR. As played though, folding seems fine.
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03-27-2014 , 03:47 AM
I think this is a pretty clear fold... Especially with v2 calling v1's bet on the turn. One of them is in there with at least a set or two pair.

Throw the aces away.
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03-27-2014 , 05:28 AM
shove turn, ypu got a dream flop and a pretty good turn as well

stuff it in buddy
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03-27-2014 , 05:50 AM
You shouldn't be ranging people heavily towards sets yet. It's not like one villain back-raises over another's check-raise or something.

You bet only a little more than half the pot on the flop. A gutsy villain could be floating you. More likely (since floats aren't all the common in 1/2), he could just be assuming you whiffed and his KQ/QJ or unlikely AQ is good. He might be playing KK weird. Maybe he called with the flop with 89 and decided to semibluff. Sure, they can a set, but they can always have a set. Wondering about that isn't so useful unless there is super heavy action.

Bottom line, even before we see the flop cards we are making plans to get it in because our SPR is 2:1. Sometimes we get setted and learn later in the session that V1 or V2 is a nit who can only have sets here. But at these stakes, so often we get the chips in here and they both flip over something totally ******ed and we scoop. When the table is straddling the ****** factor increases btw. You can't fold here except with really strong reads, which you do not have.

If you want to avoid this sort of variance until you get a good read on your villains, fold pre.
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03-27-2014 , 07:11 AM
I can't see putting that much of stack in and then folding an overpair against unknowns being the proper play.
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