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1/2 NL AA facing redic turn shove 1/2 NL AA facing redic turn shove

07-25-2016 , 01:39 PM
V: (500) Middle Aged Asian Male - Seems to have a calm table presence and is a reg. He has been a big talker when he is in hands and is clearly trying to manipulate players to do what he wants (whether it has been working I have no idea) Has not shown down anything in the last two hours except 1 big hand where he flatted a 6 dollar raise pre in SB and shoved for 240 when BB 3bet. (BB called w/ AK)

Hero: (400) Young TAG. Haven't got out of line and people have generally been staying out of hero's way (probably because they have nothing)

OOTH:

Hero raise 12 UTG with AA
V calls in CO
rest fold

Flop: (24) T94

Hero leads 15
V raise 45
Hero calls

Turn (112) 6

Hero checks planning to c/c then eval river until.....
V jams for ~350

Hero throws up and......?

(While I am in the tank V jokingly and calmly throws out comments such as "If you call I'll give you 50 back" and things of that nature. He has done this to me one time but it was after a $35 bet so this is a bit different obv)
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07-25-2016 , 01:42 PM
Seems like a pretty easy fold to me barring super maniac read.
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07-25-2016 , 01:48 PM
Easy fold
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07-25-2016 , 02:16 PM
Blah. Puke fold.
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07-25-2016 , 02:20 PM
For those advocating easy fold:

-Its impossible for him to have the nuts.
-Why shove a set here? Seems like only better would call (esp for that price) (he could just not be good enough to get that concept)
-He could have KQdd or something like that but he wont always raise that on flop.

Just some things to consider
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07-25-2016 , 02:47 PM
Re raise otf with the intent to GII. AP, hold your breathe and call.
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07-25-2016 , 03:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Flpmethntsdlr
Re raise otf with the intent to GII. AP, hold your breathe and call.
This seems very ambitious to plan to get it in with AA for 200bbs just because the flop is wet. I mean even when they have the big draw type hand you're basically flipping.
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07-25-2016 , 03:52 PM
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Originally Posted by tellypl
For those advocating easy fold:

-Its impossible for him to have the nuts.
-Why shove a set here? Seems like only better would call (esp for that price) (he could just not be good enough to get that concept)
-He could have KQdd or something like that but he wont always raise that on flop.

Just some things to consider
It's also, more importantly imo, impossible for him to have the A bluff.
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07-25-2016 , 04:16 PM
Fold, and take heart knowing that his sizing choice falls deeper down the EV hole each time you make a good fold with hands like this. Your pair value should have no bearing here and you're in essence holding a naked NFD.

Sure the guy could be slow/fast-overplaying the bottom of his range (KKd) which of course you beat this time, but considering you have every NFD in range when you bet-c flop when IP (sets too sometimes), AAd isn't even at the top of your folding range when facing this sized of a bet/allin.
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07-25-2016 , 04:33 PM
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Originally Posted by ImAllInNow
This seems very ambitious to plan to get it in with AA for 200bbs just because the flop is wet. I mean even when they have the big draw type hand you're basically flipping.
Quite ambitious, but I'm filled with ambition in spots such these. I'd of course puke if he flopped a set, but hey, it happens. After all, it's pretty tough to flop a set. I don't want him making this play with top pair (likely) and then blowing me off with the biggest scare card OTT. I'm inclined to 3 bet OTF, fairly large to 180, and take back the aggression lead with what's very likely the best hand. That's me though.
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07-25-2016 , 04:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Flpmethntsdlr
Quite ambitious, but I'm filled with ambition in spots such these. I'd of course puke if he flopped a set, but hey, it happens. After all, it's pretty tough to flop a set. I don't want him making this play with top pair (likely) and then blowing me off with the biggest scare card OTT. I'm inclined to 3 bet OTF, fairly large to 180, and take back the aggression lead with what's very likely the best hand. That's me though.
Maybe you have an image that encourages this, but I just don't see 1/2 opponents blasting off for 200bbs with hands that AA beats much.
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07-25-2016 , 04:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Flpmethntsdlr
Quite ambitious, but I'm filled with ambition in spots such these. I'd of course puke if he flopped a set, but hey, it happens. After all, it's pretty tough to flop a set. I don't want him making this play with top pair (likely) and then blowing me off with the biggest scare card OTT. I'm inclined to 3 bet OTF, fairly large to 180, and take back the aggression lead with what's very likely the best hand. That's me though.
Then 3b flop big, call.
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