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12-29-2015 , 04:39 AM

tellypl

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Hero ($400) Young white guy. Playing TAG and entering most pots as raiser, not many limped pots. A high cbet% and generally seen as solid. Players have been commenting on Hero's good play.

V1 ($280) Whale. Came to the table with 1k and is buying in in 300 increments(max buyin) Shoved all in for 240 with A4o on AJT2Asss board into two people in bloated pot with little FE. (got called and lost and rebought) plus plenty more errors

Hero is dealt A

in EP. raise to 12

V1 in CO calls
SB calls

Flop (32) Q

SB checks
Hero bets 21
V calls
SB folds

Turn (73) 6

Hero bets 30
V Ships for about 250

Hero?

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12-29-2015 , 04:44 AM

philepistemer

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Originally Posted by tellypl

Players have been commenting on Hero's good play.

Sick brag.

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12-29-2015 , 05:02 AM

SuckoutKing

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Bet more on flop b/c you are OOP on a draw-heavy board against a villain who won't care.

Villain description "whale" doesn't tell us much and the only scenario given suggests he doesn't understand relative hand value, thus overplaying his value hand. But that doesn't make us feel more comfortable here b/c we can't beat two pair. So if that's all we know, we fold.

However, if you are saying the "whale" is throwing money around w/ a stupid range that includes one pair hands and total air, then obviously you call.

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12-29-2015 , 06:52 AM

WereBeer

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If whale shoves draws and top pair type hands like a ******, go ahead and call I guess. Mostly when I see the spaz shove with these sort of hands, it's OTF though.

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12-29-2015 , 06:55 AM

WereBeer

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Originally Posted by tellypl

generally seen as solid. Players have been commenting on Hero's good play.

I can't speak for everyone at the table but when I tell someone they played a hand well, it usually doesn't have much to do with whether or not I thought they played the hand well.

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12-29-2015 , 06:58 AM

Hardball47

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Smells like Q6.

Let him have the $63. Stack him later.

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12-29-2015 , 08:35 AM

patjps

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Originally Posted by WereBeer

Mostly when I see the spaz shove with these sort of hands, it's OTF though.

+1 not enough info on V apart from that. I would bet bigger OTT and if he shoves I fold. IMO the small bet could have looked weak to whale and therefore he shoves with his medium strength made hand/combo draw

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12-29-2015 , 10:37 AM

tolis

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U fire 2 barrels, the 2nd a scared on and on a somewhat innocent card, then u don't know how to proceed when the monkey shoves. I sense that u had no plan otf tbh

I personally suck in live pkr but if I wasn't planning to commit on the majority of runouts, I would strongly consider checking one street.

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12-29-2015 , 11:20 AM

Nice_Guy_Eddie

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More info on his 'errors' would be helpful. This looks like a semi-bluff in a vacuum. Most villains would raise smaller or call with a set/straight, probably two pair as well.

I'd call. I expect a lot of JT/9xss/88/98/87. GG if he has T8 (highly doubtful). The most realistic hand you're losing to is 76 and you have 8 outs against it.

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12-29-2015 , 11:25 AM

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DeathCabForTootie

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Villain overvalues hands obv.

Never folding versus this villain, this could be 2 pair, could be a pair that picked up a flush draw or straight draw, this could be a scared Q that sees the FD and wants to take it down.

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12-29-2015 , 11:32 AM

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tellypl

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Originally Posted by tolis

Well the turn was a bet for value as his calling range is wider than most. But once you get shoved on on this board with just an overpair it's a pretty tough spot IMO

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12-29-2015 , 11:35 AM

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tellypl

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Originally Posted by Nice_Guy_Eddie

Another "error" was V was HU in a pot with another V

4 limpers

flop comes AJ3sss

V donks 35 into 8
1 caller

Turn 5c

Our V shoves for 200
V2 tanks for a min and our V finally says "you know what dude I'll show you" shows 64ss for flopped flush and V2 folds. "I like you I just saved you some money" V2 had JJJ

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12-29-2015 , 01:42 PM

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PFunkaliscious

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T8 is right in his range. so is 67. so you are bluffcatching against a V that is probably just calling with his straight and flush draws. fold.

flop and turn bet against this V are too small. pot every street. this is the type of V that is going to pay far too much for his draws and you should overcharge him everychance you get. 30 into 73???

another problem with betting so small is now V could be seeing your bet as weakness, overvaluing top pair, and thinking he is good. if you had bet 60 and then he still shoved over the top, this would be a much easier fold.

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12-29-2015 , 01:46 PM

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paratrooper99

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Originally Posted by DeathCabForTootie

Agreed. Typically, this is a fold when you see this much aggression but vs this specific Villain it is a call. His range is way too wide and the board is way too wet.

Would he really be shipping it in with the nuts?

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12-29-2015 , 02:07 PM

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wj94

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I would just raise big pre and pot every street. V no like to fold. AA is hard to beat. As played it's usually two pair but now we don't know if V is overvaluing top pair on a draw heavy board because of your small turn bet. I'd probably call it off.

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12-29-2015 , 02:14 PM

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paratrooper99

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Originally Posted by DeathCabForTootie

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12-29-2015 , 02:23 PM

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ohmyrage

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Originally Posted by wj94

I agree with wj94.

I could see your weaker line of betting if you had AQ, because you would have a good hand but you are blocking queens from his range. With AA I am potting the flop, and Pot call off the turn vs this villain

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12-29-2015 , 05:50 PM

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tellypl

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Thank you all for the responses, I appreciate the input. I folded and V showed me 87 for a pair + OESD, probably the bottom of his range but an opportunity missed for sure.

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12-29-2015 , 08:33 PM

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wj94

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Originally Posted by tellypl

Thank you all for the responses, I appreciate the input. I folded and V showed me 87 for a pair + OESD, probably the bottom of his range but an opportunity missed for sure.

Or the top of his range.

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12-29-2015 , 08:51 PM

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Longinus

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^ def the top of his range. This is a very eager/happy ship on the turn. Villain is a drooler.

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12-30-2015 , 12:07 AM

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tolis

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Originally Posted by paratrooper99

Would he really be shipping it in with the nuts?

Presumably not. But we lose to all 2 pair hands that he may ship with

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