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07-06-2013 , 01:35 AM

Fcat

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Typical 1-2 table I guess. Very little preflop raises. Mostly limping and limp calling. No particular reads on table.

Hero is utg +1 with AhAd. 1 limp. Hero raises to 16. Six callers.

Flop 456r (~105)
Utg donks for 55.

Hero?

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07-06-2013 , 01:42 AM

skrimbler

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Originally Posted by Fcat

With no reads I'm mostly folding this, but there's something to be said for a raise too, but stack sizes/etc is needed for that.

Not only does he probably have it (trips/straight), with thay many callers someone else has got to have a piece, and calling gives them better odds.

EDIT: Having been stacked off 3 times with AA in the past few days, due to some bad beats, but also getting a little too attached at times, I'm inclined to raise even more sometimes, maybe $25+, even in your position.

Last edited by skrimbler; 07-06-2013 at 02:04 AM.

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07-06-2013 , 01:44 AM

p2 dog, p2

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Easiest fold ever, think about ur equity on this board 7 ways, UTG just donk bet into 6 ppl. He has pair and open end at worse and even that assigned range is to liberal

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07-06-2013 , 01:46 AM

djevans

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not the easiest fold ever as so many people seem to stack off on this spot - but a fold none the less.

too bad you got 6 callers.

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07-06-2013 , 02:30 AM

hulkontilt

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Originally Posted by skrimbler

EDIT: Having been stacked off 3 times with AA in the past few days, due to some bad beats, but also getting a little too attached at times, I'm inclined to raise even more sometimes, maybe $25+, even in your position.

Is that right though, forget about the results oriented side for a second. Do we want to blow EVERYONE out when we hold the best hand?

Granted 6 callers sucks, but it seems wrong to try and drive everyone one out.

Gross spot, the trouble is if the table is bad enough to call 6 ways, it may be bad enough to donk with an over pair like 88.

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07-06-2013 , 02:33 AM

wj94

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I would just fold this flop with 6 callers. Someone is bound to have out flopped AA and you are really hoping they have a combo draw if you raise. Hardly any 1/2 players are donking this flop with just a small overpair 7 ways.

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07-06-2013 , 03:42 AM

skrimbler

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Originally Posted by hulkontilt

I'm calling $16 with a pretty wide range of hands, $25 makes it a tougher call.

If only 3 people call, the pot is $75. 6 callers for $16 is $96.

$1/2 is such a silly game sometimes. You're always ahead preflop, and there's a LOT of people who are re-raising your $25 to $60~ with 1010/KK, AKo/s.

What happened here is just an unfortunate scenario. Ideally with AA I want someone else to have a super premium hand and I can shove after they raise pre.

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07-06-2013 , 05:09 AM

eckofiger

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1-2 is such a station game esp if its a home game. I would def make it $30,expecting 1-2 callers and play flop according.

Cash is mostly post flop game and Tourneys are pre flop games.

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07-06-2013 , 05:44 AM

Angrist

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Need stack sizes to make a complete assessment.

But this should be a fold most of the time.

There are players that will donk this with 99, but the fact that UTG was getting the best "pot odds" (durrr) to call you preflop, I expect him to have the widest range of the bunch and the most likely to connect with a board like this (78?).

Since you got 6 callers for $16, raise more next time you raise. If you start taking down blinds/limps uncontested ... so be it.

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07-06-2013 , 05:52 AM

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ibelieveyouoweme$80k

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No. No. No. No. No. A million times no.

$25? $30? Why not just open shove? I mean, yeah, if you think $30 gets 3 callers when you have AA, go ahead. Only you know just what that magic line in the sand is at your table and sometimes, you don't know until you cross.

I'm fine going as high as $20 pre, especially if there are a couple of limpers.

But anything more than that just to win $3 or $5 because everyone folds is bad.

As for the hand as played, so many players just put you on AK that they will donk out an overpair. However, they'd probably donk out $20. Donking $55 is pretty strong for most $1/$2 players.

I say NH and fold.

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07-06-2013 , 06:05 AM

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Angrist

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Originally Posted by IbelieveinChipKelly

A 100 times this.

I'd probably make it $17 from EP with a big hand like this. Doubt the $1 makes the difference in the number of callers at the given table, but it's a start. I'd go to $20 too as a max 'normal' raise, $25-30 with a straddle on.

The OP's table read is very weak. 6 callers for $16 isn't a normal occurrence in the $1/2 games I play in, especially before they've limped in for the first $2. If the game is prone to that kind of action, you usually see it happening pretty often. Which would alert the OP that he should be a little more than normal to help thin the field. If the game's been limp limp/call happy for 2 hours this is a weird result.

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07-06-2013 , 10:39 AM

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DeepStack bMAC

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Fold and start raising more pre. At a different game $16 is fine but you basically want to find the amount that will get 2-3 callers max. At most tables I would say $15-20 would do it. At this table maybe not you will just have to feel it out. Sounds like a super fishy table to me. Which is good.....just wasn't in this spot.

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07-06-2013 , 10:45 AM

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slimshady1999

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Originally Posted by DeepStack bMAC

This. 15-16 pre is fine at most tables but at this table u will have to adjust and slowly increase your raise sizes until u get 1-2 callers consistently. As played fold flop. Even if u fold the best hand here most of the time u are behind or flipping against pair+straight draw. When way behind u have 25% equity at most

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07-06-2013 , 11:35 AM

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dark_hatchling

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Fold and roll your eyes.. lame. Flatting here would be horrible with this flop and the whole table to act behind. Raising is the next option but UTG isn't donking with air here, 2pair at minimum probably and with the rest of the table left to act it's highly likely that more money is going to go in and that's not good for our hand. Fold.

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07-06-2013 , 03:39 PM

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sauhund

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i can´t believe a 16 open UTG gets 6 callers regularly, it´s just a weird coincidence imo.like the one on HSP where barry raised UTG with AA, got the whole table to call him and durrrr going as crazy as i have ever seen him

normally you get less callers and a better flop imo. as played, fold, not because of the donk, but because of having the whole table behind you and having a pretty bad flop.

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07-06-2013 , 05:28 PM

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Fcat

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Getting 6 callers as others have said isn't a normal occurance. Usually 1-3 callers is std.

In this spot I folded pretty quickly and ran some equities on my phone while watching the hand. I would have been flipping with a pair and oesd. (I thought the most like holding for utg.) Crushed by a flopped straight or set, and any pair plus gutter still had 25% equity.

Utg ended up having 99 in the hand. /shrug.
However, in a similar hand 15 mins later I raised pre (16) with AK in mp got 4 callers. Utg donked for 55 again on a 843r board and showed 88 with no callers.

Continuing with AA in hand number 1 seemed like burning money or at the very best high variance.

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07-06-2013 , 05:39 PM

#17

sauhund

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Originally Posted by Fcat

shrug is the proper reaction i think. not much you could do here.

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07-06-2013 , 06:48 PM

#18

spikeraw22

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Grunch: ****ty luck preflop unless $16 pfr was going multiway previously. In that case raise more.

Easy yet irritating fold as played. At least you don't lose a lot.

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07-07-2013 , 04:21 AM

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hulkontilt

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If we advocate raising upwards of $25, does this mean we should be doing so with all of our raising hands in limped pots?

Otherwise we are turning our hand face up.

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07-07-2013 , 10:03 AM

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spikeraw22

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About the only way to turn your hand face up in LLSNL is to limp raise vs semi vigilant players or to literally turn your hand face up.

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07-07-2013 , 11:45 AM

#21

FitzyII

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Snap fold. Rest of the table left to act, that crappy flop, grunch.

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07-07-2013 , 10:34 PM

#22

2cardstud93

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yea 6 ppl calling $16 is just weird..... need stack sizes

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07-07-2013 , 11:03 PM

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Angrist

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Originally Posted by spikeraw22

About the only way to turn your hand face up in LLSNL is to limp raise vs semi vigilant players or to literally turn your hand face up.

Even then some Villains will still make the wrong decision.

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07-07-2013 , 11:04 PM

#24

spikeraw22

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Actually, I've seen that happen haha. Guy flipped over nut straight on the turn accidentally after being all in and V showed a set and tanked. Getting 5:1 he made the hero fold. Of course they chased the rabbit and the board paired.

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07-08-2013 , 07:26 AM

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Zidane Valor

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Can I get the address of this game where 6 people are calling 8BB raises preflop?

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