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Originally Posted by eldiesel
If we 3-bet pf, we're the ones who will do the flop c-betting, not V. V isn't r/c'ing pre then leading out otf 60%+ of the time with a 2/3 PSB. This is why we like position, we keep V oop and never knowing where he is in the hand. By flatting pre we near guarantee his c-bet. Taking the lead here is disadvantageous imo. It gives V an easy out in that he can c/f airballed flops.
Also, what range do you give V for r/c'ing pre. Absolutely every hand that beats us, how many that don't? And how many of those hands that don't beat us (AK AQ, AJ, 99, etc) will we be getting huge value from otf? V has AK, he either hits his pair and is in position to win the pot or he doesn't and he c/f's. His range for r/c'ing pre is hugely weighted towards hands that will only continue past the flop if we're beat.
My bad, I agree about us for the most part having to c-bet the flop if we were to 3bet preflop
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However, I still think 3betting preflop is best. I think we're beating a lot of Villains range if he's calling our raise because I imagine he's 4betting hands like {JJ,QQ,KK,AA}, not all the time, but a good percent of the time. Leaving his calling range to be hands like AK, KQ, AJ and low pairs (with high pairs a smallish percent of the time). Also since we're playing LAG we will be 3betting a wider range on the button a lot, so we will need to be 3betting all our value hands like TT as well to compensate for the time we do it with our bluffy hands.
Another point is if we raise preflop and then it checks to us on the flop it will be easier for us to make a decision. And the times we're betting for value we will get more if Villain calls (if he folds I think that's good too).
Last edited by NLBiddy; 04-12-2014 at 12:21 PM.