Agree, hitting the bullseye(s).

I would add that its still possible to suck more value out of nits in some spots like this, but what you cant do is to make the writing on the wall aka give the nit reasons to make herofolds.

In my opinion hero is turning his range faceup as QQ+ in this spot with betting a stackoffthreatning bet of $65 in a 3 bet pot on a low paired flop. (If you have like AQ diamonds and flopped the nut flush draw and thus could use some extra fold equity for your hand- by all means go out and fire like $80 on the flop to maximize fold equity).

In order to gaining more value out of nits you got to use your imagination and be willing to mix up your lines to confuse them more/disguise your overall range more.

Like i could rip all my hair out in pure frustration when i see regs check-raising topset on 3-4-8 rainbowboard after nit 8x openraised preflop, only to see nit herofolding KK faceup to avoid a potenial stackoff on the flop/turn into what is obviously the nutz because reg decided to play his hand faceup and by that give nits a chance to do what they love the most: making huge herofolds and avoid to stackoff.

It was the way the raiser was playing. He was doing this often and would have nothing. He tried it on me a few hands after this on the flop. He went all in and i had top 2 so of course i call and take his chips


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Nits who only three bet AA complaining when nits correctly lay down over pairs against them. lolz

Pretty much,so you got a good point

Like OP cant blame the nit either- he made a correct fold if he indeed mucked JJ.

imagining the table talk if the nit had called and turned a Jack now:

"how can you call flop you know I always have JJ beat!!"

This

Ive folded QQ preflop before. Guy raised big and i put him on AA or KK. Sure enough he flips over AA. I think its a great fold. Hes not a nit

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Firstly, his opens are tight, so 3betting them lighter is suicidal against most of that range. Let’s say I even start doing that because he folds to cbets a lot, I have the remaining players to keep into consideration too. After I do it 2-3 times, they’re going to adjust and start calling, which means I will need to re-adjust and start waiting for monsters again to stack them.

Looks like a tedious and costly (if gone wrong) activity when I’m only going to be playing the guy for a couple of hours.

I think my mistake in the hand was over-estimating the nit’s calling probability on that flop to a $65 bet. It’s just obvious he has TT-QQ almost always when he raise/calls UTG so I should either check to disguise my hand OR bet 1/4th pot, checking being slightly better.

But then, I’d get flamed by 2p2 for not bet/bet/betting standard sizes because “nobody ever folds JJ there”.

Im checking that flop back or betting lighter. I just had a really long, grueling session at the nittiest table Ive ever played. I had to adjust because the typical passive fish and stations were nonexistent. You played your hand face up, and homestly, against some players, I might have been able to find a fold with JJ there. Many players at these 1-2 tables are never 3! Without QQ+, and you said you have a tight image. Gotta hide your hands against nits.

Sry. Didnt notice a 2nd page and missed that I basically repeated what was said.

When he calls the PF bet, he KNOWS he isn't best at that moment and is hoping to flop his set. Given the dynamics described, he knows there will be better spots to go for YOUR stack. Not everybody at a babystakes table is a shove-tard.

What stakes do you play at since this is babystakes

I obviously know that he’s thinking “if I call the extra $25 and flop my J, I’ll get all his money”.

Aside from trips to Vegas, there are not many options other than babystakes. Which, of course, does not change the fact that $1/2, $1/3 and $2/5 are babystakes. Nor does it change the fact that there ARE players at those levels who reasonably know when they are behind and make the correct fold, as in this instance where the 'nit' lays down pocket jacks (which the OP has finally also conceded).

If this is really how this player is playing just 3bet isolate a lot and cbet relentlessly. Give up if your cbet is called unless you have a really strong hand. Don't have to stack the nit to make money from them.