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10-31-2018 , 01:51 PM
Hello,

New casino, new table. had the chance to see some hands before sitting down. villian is tight, ran good and has about 400 bb. only additional info on villian, three hands ago one person went all in with two callers and than villian called as well, and that one person said "I felt good about my shove until villian called. so i suppose, that villian is known for tight play and good hands.

Hero: AJo in CO 100BB 7th hand on a full table.

vilian 2 seats before hero bets 12 after one limper.

Hero calls. BB calls everyone else folds

Flop: A83 rainbow, 39 in pot. both check, hero bets 24, BB folds, vilian calls.

turn: 6s, two spades now. villian checks, hero bets 50, villian calls

flop: 8 offsuit, villian checks, hero bets 40, villian goes all in covering hero, hero has 70 left to call

How did hero play until river? what now?

thanks!
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10-31-2018 , 02:06 PM
River CR bluff is rare and it's almost always nutted in LLSNL games.

Can't see any bluff and yet you don't really have any chips left to fold.

Crap spot.
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10-31-2018 , 02:13 PM
Pot seems to be $227 and you have $70 behind, so you need to be right 30% of the time.

I honestly don't think you are, unless V is a creative LAG. There are very few missed draws and no value hands you beat.

I would have preferred a check on one street, preferably the flop. Underrep your hand and let worse aces or pairs feel better. You don't have a hand worth stacking off with, so you should be looking for two streets of value, not three.

Honestly, my read is the guy is probably a super tight nit (ie. the type who I never want to see call). Once I see him call the flop (which I would not have bet against a nit), I am checking back turn and river.

Last edited by krilleater; 10-31-2018 at 02:29 PM.
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10-31-2018 , 02:18 PM
You have to check back at least 1 street.

1 pair hands is not how you stack a calling station.
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10-31-2018 , 04:46 PM
At only 100BB, you should be folding AJo pf to this raise. Add in your read that Villain is known for tight play and the call becomes even worse.

Flop is fine and you need to be checking either the Turn or the river.

As played you're probably beat, but you comitted yourself with a less than ideal hand - we've come this far, might as well call I guess.

Curious, what was your goal of betting so small OTR??
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10-31-2018 , 05:10 PM
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Originally Posted by setintostraight
You have to check back at least 1 street.

1 pair hands is not how you stack a calling station.
It's exactly how you stack a calling station. Villain is not a calling station.

Fold pre, as played check flop, as played check turn, as played check river, as played fold river.

What range did you put villain on after each of his actions, OP?
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10-31-2018 , 06:49 PM
Folding preflop
Hand plays pooly multiway

As played I think we are getting max 2 streets here and dont really want to get a big pot going.
I think we have two decent lines to take
Either check back the flop and bet the turn or call if villian has a stab on turn or bet the flop and check the turn if called
I wouldnt mind a check back on the flop,we have position so use it,I dont really see a point of betting at this point as most tight villians are going to range you on an ace.
As played you arent really beating much on the river (AT is about it,could be under PP but doesnt mske much sense given action)


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11-01-2018 , 08:46 AM
Grunch (this means I'm responding without reading anyone else's replies):

Check turn back, imo. Board is dry and you are in a WA/WB situation with TPMK. As I mentioned in your welcome thread, on average, live players aren't the pay-off wizards they used to be, and there's few draws to protect against, so by betting here you're rarely getting value from worse hands.

AP, check river for the same reasons, only more so.

AP, you are getting silly odds, but V shouldn't think he has any FE, so I think it's a puke/fold. Mostly, though, you overplayed a medium strength hand.
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11-01-2018 , 12:43 PM
If I had AK I would think about going for 3 streets to get a call from AQ or AJ. But I would still check back one street sometimes.

What hands did you think would call your river bet?
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11-01-2018 , 12:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Parking Rich
River CR bluff is rare and it's almost always nutted in LLSNL games.

Can't see any bluff and yet you don't really have any chips left to fold.

Crap spot.
That's pretty funny. Bet folding here is like a bread and butter play in FL. Doesn't matter what price you're getting when you beat nothing. If anything, it makes the raise stronger.
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11-01-2018 , 01:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Gokou.
Hello,

person said "I felt good about my shove until villian called. so i suppose, that villian is known for tight play and good hands.
Because some guy made that comment about villain, you suppose villain is tight and only plays good hands. LOL.

First of all, a lot of times, the guy at the table with the most chips on the table is the loosest guy playing all kinds of hands and constantly sucking out on people. Just because that other guy made that comment, it doesn't mean anything. That guy could have been the biggest donkey and simply thought, in his donkey mind, this guy gots all the money, he must be a great player.

I haven't yet read all the comments, but the read you made about villain, based on that info, is just ridiculous.
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