Playing at showboat AC about 4 in the morning.....

Hero EP ( $ 250) Mid 30's I have K J

V1 MP ( 180) LAG the only other guy at tabe raising but myself.....


V1 bets $ 10 Pre Flop

Hero Calls.... all other players fold.

Flop is 3 6 8

V1 Checks

Hero bets $ 18 and is called by V1

Turn J

Hero bets $ 30 and is called

River 9

Hero checks...... V1 moves all in for $ 90

Hero tanks and makes the call ........

V1 shows Q 10 for the nuts.....

Need some help or how I could have or played this different..... Should I have not made the Call....... Appreciate it.

The turn bet is a little light, as you probably figure you are ahead at that point. Only $30 into a $70 pot On the turn is not going to price out a LAG that is bad at math. I think you need to bet at least $50 there and hopefully he folds. On the river, I really don't want to bet $90 on nothing more than top pair with 2nd best kicker. You gotta give him credit for hitting something. The good news is your money is still on the table and I would expect him to give it up before the night is over.

Don't play KJ rom EP. Fixed.

Please don't post the results next time.

PF looks like it was a limp/call. I would not play KJs HU OOP against a LAG. Just fold to the raise, imo, unless you get a couple of callers. KJ is a trouble hand, and plays better multi-way (esp when it's suited) than HU.

AP, flop is fine. V is unlikely to put you on a FD when you donk out. He will more often put you on a weak overpair that is afraid of draws. I prob make it a bit smaller to keep dominated draws in, but meh.

AP, turn is good. You now have TPGK to go with your FD.

River is meh. If you were deeper, I'd bet/fold this. There's no room to fold if raised here though. I'm OK with the c/c against a LAGGY V. To a passive one this is always a fold, but there is a lot of air in this Vs range. As much as I don't like to play for stacks with TPGK, this seems like the spot for it. Aggro V and lots of draws missed. We lose this pot a lot, but not half the time, imo.

Thanks for the help...... ( will not post results next time)

This advice is either incomplete or just plain wrong. I'm inclined to say it's the latter.

3-bet pre. I'll elaborate after my nap

unless someone else wants to list the million reasons why 3-betting in this spot is the most equitable thing we can possibly do

save me the headache of posting really obvious stuff

Here's just a few as I don't feel like listing all 1 million lol:
- Villain is a LAG and has a wide opening range.
- EP limp raise makes our hand appear very strong.
- (if villain calls) We take control of the action and can get Villain to fold to our cbet on most flops.

BUT STILL I WOULD FOLD PRE!

We don't 3 bet pre because V only continues with range that beats us and we're oop.

I think the action PF is a bit confusing. I'm assuming we limp/called PF?

I'd bet a bit more on the turn. We have an excellent hand, and we want to be able to bomb the river.

River call is fine.

No. Incorrect.

We do not want a fold on the turn. We have a monster, and we want the $50 bet to be called. Hell, even if we get raised, we are never folding.

Lots of incoherent advice in my opinion.

Don't post results.

The action doesn't add up math wise. V should have moved in for $122 if stacks were as stated. We can't give clear advice based on fuzzy info.

A little more on the Turn IMO. V showed plenty of interest by calling an almost pot sized bet on the Flop so continue to grow the pot to get stacks in on River for sure ... if not now!! You are NEVER folding here and very rarely would you not want stacks in on this Turn. It's your pot, go after it and/or make others pay to stay in it!!

AP ... just a cooler, as far as calling the River you very well could be bluff catching here since you showed 'so much' weakness when the J came out IMO. He probably thought you had a lower pair or 'just' a flush draw. This would give him 2 overs and a gut shot in his mind and your Turn bet is pricing him into that mindset.

Why would you not lead the River? Did you want to bluff catch? Why was his bet such a surprise to you given the pot size and your decreased interest in the pot on each street? I think in general you played the hand fine but I'm not sure you know why you played the hand the way you did and that is an area to look at.

Dont worry about posting results, but you may want to wait until there are a few posts or use the 'spoiler' box. GL

PF - What Im gathering is you limped then called. In EP, with KJs, I thinking limping is a really bad play. Unless your just trying to do something with your image. But since you did limp, Id raise here. I think are hand is better here than his majority of the time.

Flop - Im confused. If your in EP, how is the V checking first then you make a bet? Since you would be first to act, I think a bet is ok.

Turn - I still think a value bet would be good here. I know it may seem a lot of money to put in on TPGK, but we have a K-high flush draw as a back up, and were going against a LAG player. Some say you shouldve bet more and some say your bet size was ok. Im inclined to go for the maximum. I say $40-$50 would be a good bet. I think if he folds to a turn bet, he probably wasnt going to call any other bet.

River - Checking here is fine. Since he pushed all-in, I would say he has the nuts or bluff. Default play would be to fold since we dont have much information on the guy. Even against a LAG player.

Summary - As you see, the results are bad but play that hand a million times, we win alot more than we lose. Maximizing your bets for him chasing pays us off nicely.

I wouldnt have lead on the river either. All we have a TPGK, where is the value on the river? More times than not, the V is checking behind because he missed or is weak. I dont believe the V would call with anything but a better hand than ours. I stand by the check on the river.

Okay, sorry. I was literally falling asleep before. Probably why I originally thought OP was next to act and had position. Disregard that advice since it’s irrelevant.


How many other players are at the table? It could be six handed for all we know, and people are advocating open mucking a tier three hand; a play that would be bad even in a full ring.

Assuming your average (as OP described) full ring one-two game, open mucking a tier three hand is glaringly inefficient in terms of long term equity. Again, we’re open mucking a tier three hand for less than 1% of our stack.

Once we limp and it’s raised, we’re then folding instead of investing a grand total of 4% of our stack? Furthermore, against a villain with a wide range?

This isn’t stupid, it’s glaringly insane.

I hardly consider TP second best kicker to be a Monster. The bet as sized encouraged our lag to continue with only 7 outs. Pop the turn bet up to $50 and he still may or may not fold, but at least he will be guilty of bad math. Then if he sucks out on you, you have no one to blame but bad luck. As it is you are culpable for your bad luck.

Against a loose player, you dont think KJs isnt ahead? I admit, folding might have been a good play as well, with players behind. But when were in the hand against this type of player, I think there were investing in a good spot since he plays such as wide range. Were going to be ahead more times then not.

As I said before, In early position, I wouldnt play it much(only to mix things up), and definitely wouldnt limp.

I think DaYu was saying the Hero had a montster against a player like this.(Atleast I hope thats what he was saying lol) I still think the Turn bet needs to be big and for value.

What? C’mon with this grammar, man.

My position is we’re never open mucking KJ suited UTG, and then we’re never folding to villain’s raise in the situation depicted by OP.

You’re not playing as efficiently as you could be. I really don’t know what else to say.

You really think KJs is a good hand in EP? Please tell me your joking....

Rating a single pair with second best kicker as a monster is a sure way to lose alot of money. Just because Villain is loose, doesn't mean he never gets good cards.

All depends on the table dynamics. I love hands like these as when you hit the flop hard, the Villains often have hands they can't get away from. You just have to have the discipline to fold those hands where the flop comes up with a king and nothing else to help you as could very well be behind.

Dont get me wrong, it can pay against fish. As I said before, I play them, but not much.

I'd play KJs from EP but would have to remind myself to NOT get attached to it.