1/2 game.

BB w/ 97cc. I have ~475 (in for $350). Villain (CO) covers. He has just racked up and claimed this is his last hand.

utg limps (pretty lag female. kinda fishy. kinda cute for 38), utg+1 makes it 12 (he has it out for a bunch of people. he's down to 1k from a 1900 stack playing k4 and ****), CO calls (self-proclaimed tag who has been going back and forth with the pfr fish), sb calls. I call. utg calls.

Flop Jc 8c 5d
sb checks, i check, utg check, pfr bets 4. CO raises to 21. sb folds. I pop it to 100. folds around to CO who hems and haws and calls.

Turn Qh.
Pot is $264
Hero ($363)...?


Thinking on the flop. I have a monster draw. There's no way I'm less than 40% to win the hand and in most situations I'm a favorite. I raised a bit more than I generally would because I thought I'd rather just take the pot down now than have to get there, regardless of my equity. I think the FE is greater given that the guy racked up and he doesn't want to play a bloated pot for his last hand.

My image: I've been playing pretty solid. Have shown a bluff or two, but mostly just had hands or taking random pots preflop. I'm talkative. 28. no sunglasses or hoodie. Been flirting with the chick to my left who thinks I'm blazed. I've told everyone that I just started playing poker and this is just my 2nd week playing the game but that I'm a blackjack expert. Not sure if this changes how you guys analyze the hand.

Thanks in advance for your input. Will answer questions and whatnot when i get a chance.

This is difficult multiway. Don't like a flop raise. The nfd is never folding.

This seems like a decent spot for a squeeze pre just reading the first sentence.

On flop I bet intending to bet/3 bet if raised and planning on barreling off usually.

Turn is pretty horrid card for you. You essentially are repping 55 and 88 and draws. Nevertheless, if he is racked up I just jam it in.

We have 40% equity against NFD that doesn't have the 10c

Didn't think about the merits of squeezing here. I guess I just saw a hand that plays well multi-way and chose to call knowing the utg basically never squeezes. I also don't know how much respect my squeeze will get given that maniac just lost K3 vs AA on K4234 board. Didn't think that there was a point of bloating the pot more than 60 dollars.

Edit: Something I totally forgot to mention which is very important. I said "i smashed that board" when the guy was considering calling the 100 on the flop when it was just me and CO. I thought the Q was a really good card for my range.

Yeah, but it is a good card for his range too. Where are you ranging this guy? I kind of feel like he has a big flush draw or a mediocre top pair. The queen can improve all of those hands.

Probably shouldn't talk in the middle of hands. Would you really say you smashed a board when you flopped a set. Makes your hand kinda transparent I would think.

Also, the point of the squeeze in these types of spots where you have 1 maniac firing super wide and everyone calling trying to flop gin is that you win super often by putting in a three bet. You can easily fold to a four bet and your hand plays okay against a lot of his raise/calling your 3! range.

You have three outs to the nuts and there's numerous hands you have less than 40% equity against.

If you do have 40% equity it would be much better to be in a 3-way pot putting in 33% of the money rather than heads-up putting in 50% of the money.

If you have 50% equity you don't make anything heads-up with a bet and a call; it's zero EV. But in a 3-way pot you make a substantial profit.

Pre-flop is much much closer to a fold than a squeeze.

I think this a big overplay.

You pretty much are repping a set or an overpair that is betting hard because the board is getting scary. If your opponents think you are bluffy, then this looks like a draw or a stone bluff, and your FE is not as good as you hope it is.

I wouldn't describe this as a 'monster draw' seeing as how there are a lot of non-nut straight outs, and your flush is overflushed by pretty much any other club combo that someone is going to make a big call with.

I think it would have been better to try to draw and then hope you can extract something out of one of your opponents if you hit. Actually, out of position with a one-gapper facing an EP raise, just best to fold this hand and find a better opportunity.

What hands does villan have in his range that puts us worse than 40% equity? Vs sets we are 41% vs larger flush draws we are about the same unless we put villan on exactly 2 overs and s flush draw. So what numerous hands can have us in worse shape?

If we decide to barrell this we can often get bigger flush draws to fold turn. We may want to play a multi way pot but the bet sizing by villans was so small I think not x raising is a mistake. Some one bet 4$ and then it was raised to 21. When we x raise we maximize fold equity so even if we are at break even equity we are getting our opponent to fold 1 pair etc, meaning that we are likely a favorite to win once we factor in our fold equity. If we bet turn we apply maximum pressure and force better hands to fold. Not to metion villan is racked up so he may play tighter than normal.

I see no reason to just flat that absurdly small bet on the flop. We want to build a pot while we have the most equity and force folds from better hands like random gut shot draws that actually have decent equity vs our hand. When we are multi way

As for preflop I think calling is fine if we don't expect to get 3 bet a lot. We have close to 250 bb so we are calling a very small percentage of our stack to potentially stack a worse player.

Seems like there is far more to consider than just our equity in the hand relative to how many players are in the pot. Not to mention I we are multi way and we likely don't have 40% equity vs the field.

Villans range IMO is called on the flop to draws and 1 pair hands

fold pre

VS a realistic range of strong 1 pair hands and better flush draws we are closer to a favorite than a dog. Once we add our potential fold equity which I think we have vs draws and 1 pairs we should be betting turn, maybe even shoving to maximize fols equity. Your stack size is a bit awkward because most reasonable sized bets that get folds will commit us. If we shove better draws can't call, and 1 pair can't call. I think most hands except QJ and AQ KQ Q10 of clubs or Obv 9 10 will be forced to fold.

Fold pre is really the best advice. Post flop the options are limited and none are too good, it's because we're oop. So fixing that is folding pre.

Folding pre with 5 players in the hand is absurdly nitty and mostly bad, especially with bad players at the table. I think pre isn't close given I'm never getting squeezed by the chick so I'm basically last to act putting in 10 to win 60. I bet 150 on the turn and he tanked for 5 mins and called after showing A3 of clubs. He tried to get me to show a card and I was tempted to show the 9c but thought that would hurt me more than help. River paired the 5 (no club).

Action?

We have 200 back and pot is 564.

I agree.

river is easy math. if he folds more than 27% of the time, fire it in.

flop raise created a terrible turn situation in terms of our stack and the pot. as stated several times in this thread, when you have significant equity but not a majority of it, i prefer a call to invite others. it's a lot easier to win pots on future streets when we have position, so that makes raising less inviting.

So he shows u the nfd after the turn & then calls? Idiot. At that point he needed to fold or shove & def not show. Shove river, hes folding A high. Your betting screamed pair or set. Really dont think hes gonna get it in w A high now

What an idiot.

Shove - he folds almost always.

This decision comes down to your implied odds. Generally, you are not going to have a lot of fold equity against the top of many villains ranges in 1/2. So, it appears to me your implied odds are pretty good here. For that reason, I think its higher EV and less variance to just call the flop. However, it is not a huge mistake to raise either. You have a lot of equity and you will be able to barrel many turn cards.

I am not sure that I would pop it to $100. A smaller raise would accomplish your goals and you have the rest of your stack as leverage.

Are we shoving our entire range? Like I don't think we extract any value if we shove 200 with any made hand here. I think (and this is probably a pretty big leak -- even though this scenario is so rare) that if I had a hand that beat him, I would probably just bet 50-100 to get him to call me and give me the extra monies. I guess I should be calculating how often he calls and figure out optimal bet amount in that spot. I'm obviously not doing that sort of math at the table though.