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Old 06-02-2014, 01:11 PM   #1
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1/2. Missed w AK multiway, but good price to peel?

EP: slightly loose reg ($300)
MP: a bit looser rec ($150)
Hero: haven't vpip in 45 min at table ($200)

Pre: EP to 7, MP call, hero in BB to 23 with AsKd, both call

Flop($70): Qh9s7s. Hero check, EP to 20, Mp call, hero??

Getting 5.5:1 with overs and bd fd peel? Or just fold? Cbet? Raise?
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Old 06-02-2014, 01:19 PM   #2
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Re: 1/2. Missed w AK multiway, but good price to peel?

Pretty easy fold for me...drawy board, plus KQ or AQis in their ranges, so is QJ
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Old 06-02-2014, 01:29 PM   #3
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Re: 1/2. Missed w AK multiway, but good price to peel?

I fold. Don't want to mess with runner runner flush and straights with bettor and caller in the pot.

You are 24.1% to pair your over cards. Discount that number for the possibility that a villian's hand will still beats your paired K or A, then 5.5:1 doesn't look like good odds to me. It is close enough where you should be able to find a better spot againt loose players.
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Old 06-02-2014, 01:31 PM   #4
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Re: 1/2. Missed w AK multiway, but good price to peel?

6/47 = .12 Need more like ~8:1 (and your K outs may be dirty). I dont think you could try to bluff raise as MP is short and might feel priced in.

Btw - you could 3b slightly larger I think. I think I would go with 35 but I think at a minimum you should go at least 30.
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Old 06-02-2014, 01:33 PM   #5
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Re: 1/2. Missed w AK multiway, but good price to peel?

PFR has to be 3 times minimum the original raise + 1 for extra call... thats 30~ minimum.

fold OTF, he basically says he's got something and you're not good. why risk? wait for the next pot.
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Old 06-02-2014, 01:37 PM   #6
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Re: 1/2. Missed w AK multiway, but good price to peel?

(Newbie running his mouth, beware!)

Not to mention 99 and 77, and even QQ; any of those three and you're drawing dead to the runner-runner flush or straight. I'm not totally ready to write off JT being out there, either.

You're drawing to one pair, basically. Even if you hit it, you're not going to like your hand terribly much in a three-way pot. Folding seems best, absent some read -- I'm struck that EP's flop bet is suspiciously small, but not sure that means much at 1/2NL.
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Old 06-02-2014, 02:18 PM   #7
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Re: 1/2. Missed w AK multiway, but good price to peel?

I'm folding.

Depending on reads though, I might raise before I would call as you can take the pot down right there and check behind if you get called and maybe spike your Ace or King on the river.
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Old 06-02-2014, 04:56 PM   #8
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Re: 1/2. Missed w AK multiway, but good price to peel?

If you hit your A or K ott, you can't know you have the best hand. What you can know, however, is that you're not getting action if it is the best hand. Q8o isn't going to shove for value on a turn A. So if you just want direct odds to spike an A or K ott, you need about 7.3:1 which you're not getting. And even if you were, there are the times you're just owning yourself against KQ/AQ/sets.
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Old 06-02-2014, 05:19 PM   #9
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AP definitely folding; being OOP with a hand that we are trying to improve to just one pair just sucks. If it checks to the button who bets $10 I'm probably calling because he has bluffs in his range, but this spot is not like that.

You need to 3-bet larger and cbet this board against 3 opponents. It's not a great cbetting board but it's an okay one. If you 3-bet to 30 and get 2 callers the pot is 90 and you can cbet just 45 into it and they will fold most of the time. People tighten up and play so straightforward in 3bet pots. If you only get one caller and the pot is ~65 you can bet 40 into it. They will put you on AA, KK, and AQ a lot, and even when they put you on AK they may fold because they can't beat it anyway.
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Old 06-02-2014, 09:31 PM   #10
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Re: 1/2. Missed w AK multiway, but good price to peel?

I also think you should cbet roughly 1/2 pot, this way you can fold out some hands and see whether the turn improves your equity and make a further decision there, on this board it is unlikely you will be raised and AP you now have a tough decision where it will be harder to be paid off if you do hit.
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Old 06-02-2014, 10:18 PM   #11
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Re: 1/2. Missed w AK multiway, but good price to peel?

EP 20 on 70 screams draw but it's dangerous to try to figure out why players at 1/2 do what they do because so often they misunderstand so much, even regs.

MP call instead of raising looks like a hand that can't call a raise here.

I like a raise. There is good fold value as EP can put you on the nut flush draw or a monster and fold his str8 draw or non nut flush draw and MP rec player looks weak. The tighter and more solid your image the better.
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Old 06-02-2014, 10:22 PM   #12
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Re: 1/2. Missed w AK multiway, but good price to peel?

grunch: fold

standard 1-2 play i think. you're playing tight against loose opponents. just find a better spot where you can bet for value and then pot, pot, pot. i probably would have led out here though but am fine with just waiting until you hit. you're likely against a Q. at best you're against a flush draw. with a bet AND a call... i'm folding and waiting for a better spot.
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Old 06-02-2014, 10:44 PM   #13
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Re: 1/2. Missed w AK multiway, but good price to peel?

you probably missed a fair amount of value pre. c/f flop.
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