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1/2 at MGM Grand - Reasonable push with AK TPTK? 1/2 at MGM Grand - Reasonable push with AK TPTK?

09-02-2010 , 02:47 PM
This is an extremely loose aggressive game at the MGM Grand. CO limps 90%+ of his hands, and calls raises liberally with them. I saw him limp/call with QQ and JJ, when he hit sets on them, he didn't slowplay at all and played them aggressively postflop. UTG+2 is a little tighter than normal at this table, but still loose aggressive all around.

10 handed
UTG: 150
UTG+1 100
UTG+2 200
CO: 200
Button (Hero): 200

Hero is dealt AdKh
UTG limps, UTG+1 limps, UTG+2 limps, CO limps, Hero raises to $20 (pretty standard raise for this game), blinds fold, UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 calls, CO calls

Flop (pot: $63) AsQcJs
UTG+2 bets $40, CO calls, Hero pushes

My thinking was that UTG+2 could easily be betting a draw or a weak ace here. With CO calling instead of raising, he could have any pair or a draw or something wacky like 77.
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09-02-2010 , 03:39 PM
I think it's fine with these stacks. Any deeper and it gets tricky. With a somewhat drawy board it's hard to imagine CO just flatting UTG's bet with anything that beats us. UTG could show up with AQ/AJ/QJ but it's not like were drawing dead against those hands.
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09-02-2010 , 03:53 PM
Well yes reasonable push, we have top-pair and a gut shot. With the stacks and pot size push or fold are the only options.

Expect to be behind a lot here on this board.
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09-02-2010 , 04:45 PM
I disagree. The chances of you being ahead here aren't good. People will show up with 2 pair/sets/straight. Game is described as "extremely loose aggressive", opponents understand this and can limp/small bet with great hands expecting to get reraised. Your in bad shape here. I reluctantly call and see what happens w/turn betting-you're in position.
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09-02-2010 , 05:40 PM
Hero calling $40 on the flop makes the pot $183, and Hero has $140 left.

What is our plan on the turn if we don't improve? It is reasonable to expect to face a bet of $80+, Villains are both described as aggressive by OP.

I believe we are folding if the 3rd comes, but what is our play if the turn blanks.

If we pair our K we probably just made a Villains pair/gut-shot combo to broadway. The only card we really like is a nonT, 3 outs

I think we are in a push or fold spot here. Leaning toward fold, even though a pair/gutshot is a standard 2+2 shove.
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09-02-2010 , 05:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Sebastes Pinneger
Hero calling $40 on the flop makes the pot $183, and Hero has $140 left.

What is our plan on the turn if we don't improve? It is reasonable to expect to face a bet of $80+, Villains are both described as aggressive by OP.

I believe we are folding if the 3rd comes, but what is our play if the turn blanks.

If we pair our K we probably just made a Villains pair/gut-shot combo to broadway. The only card we really like is a nonT, 3 outs

I think we are in a push or fold spot here. Leaning toward fold, even though a pair/gutshot is a standard 2+2 shove.
Yeah, good questions. I just can't fold this hand yet for $40(on flop). I've seen hands like this get checked down the rest of the way believe it or not. Any further decent size bets=fold. I'm fine folding flop also tho. But I won't shove flop here.
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09-03-2010 , 09:23 AM
Def jam since they should be drawing. They shouldn't have many good made hands when they just limp call plus people like slowplaying things as strong as AQ or KT.
Edit: I would be more concerned about the guy who flatted than the original donkbettor (who could have a flush draw).
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09-03-2010 , 09:58 AM
Live players donīt usually donk flush draws on these boards because they would expect to get raised. Itīs usually a very strong hand, most players range for limping is suited broadways up to AQ pocket pairs and suited aces.
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09-03-2010 , 10:37 AM
Live players donīt usually donk flush draws on these boards because they would expect to get raised. Itīs usually a very strong hand, most players range for limping is suited broadways up to AQ pocket pairs and suited aces.
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09-03-2010 , 05:03 PM
std ship. UTG+2's donking range is likely weak. this smells like AT or KQ or spades to me. CO's range is wide given reads. either way, there are not that many hands that beat us. i think we're ahead of both villains' ranges, in which case shoving is the only thing to do here
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09-03-2010 , 10:22 PM
Meh, looks like someone has AJ or QJ. I probably just fold and watch what they're doing this with for future reference.

Shipping isn't too bad either but I'd rather do that if we were heads up.
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