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04-28-2014 , 10:10 PM
Hero BB($450)- 22yo wearing a hoodie playing TAG

Villain 1 CO($180)- Early 20's and just sat down at the table no reads

Villain 2 SB(100)- Old fat guy got it in a few hands with 50bb with AJo and flipped it over like it was the nuts and then lost to AA's.

On to the hand

Folds to Villain in CO who open limps (Basically announcing that he is terrible)
Villain in the SB calls the 1$
Hero in the BB looks down at AA and raises to $12
Pot($39)

Flop: A76

I continue for 13$ How bad is this? I know its really small but I figured that betting small accomplished two things.

1. Could encourage V1 to float with his weaker holdings hoping that I shut down on the turn.
2. Could encourage a bluff raise because this looks so weak.

I got my wish and V1 raises to 35 and I flat call. My reasoning being that I bet small to induce bluffs so I wanted him to continue with it on the turn.

Turn Q

I check V bets 37?? Seemed super Valuish to me so I Jam thinking the board is getting a little too wet for my liking. He had just under 100 behind.

Thoughts on all streets would be appreciated.

Last edited by bga22892; 04-28-2014 at 10:16 PM.
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04-28-2014 , 10:19 PM
I think I probably just bet turn because I don't think V is often floating with air. When V calls your flop bet I think he has some kind of flush draw or pair type hand that he will continue on turn.
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04-28-2014 , 10:22 PM
He raised to flop he didnt call.
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04-28-2014 , 10:27 PM
I would be the flop for half pot or so.
More along the lines of $22. He can still bluff raise you, value raise you, and call with weaker holdings.
And when he does, it's a super easy 3b/jam or ck/jam the turn, or open jam the turn and it doesn't make stack sizes so weird.
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04-28-2014 , 10:50 PM
I don't bet small a lot to induce raises. The player pool I play with is too tight to do it but if you feel confident in your V raising I like this line a lot. It'd be more difficult ott if V were deeper but this shallow c/shove is fine imo.
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04-28-2014 , 11:02 PM
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Originally Posted by bga22892
He raised to flop he didnt call.
What are you talking about?
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04-28-2014 , 11:13 PM
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Originally Posted by beauvanlaanen
What are you talking about?
Typo. to = the
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04-28-2014 , 11:15 PM
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Originally Posted by bga22892
Flop: A76

I continue for 13$ How bad is this? I know its really small but I figured that betting small accomplished two things.
This really depends on how you play the rest of your range in this spot. Imagine if you had AK, or KQ. How much are you betting then?
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04-29-2014 , 12:00 AM
I really don't like that you're relying on the villain to a) "bluff" raise your small flop bet and b) bet again when you check to him on the turn. In that sense, you got lucky that you could just get the chance to jam there.
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04-29-2014 , 01:55 AM
Raising to $13 on the flop is pretty bad. It gives draws the correct price to call you. This is a really wet board that hits the villain's l/c range and you have the nuts. Better to raise to $30 imo. Then bet half the pot on the turn (or shove if half pot is most of your stack).

Then again, I have a pretty aggro image when I play (unless I'm losing). From this thread it looks like you are passive/tricky, and in that case you might just get folds here. I recommend c-betting/semi bluffing more so you can get value from spots like these.

Overall your line is really weird and I can't see what you're targeting, you don't know your villains' tendencies, and you're allowing yourself to get coolered. Now if the board were A73 rainbow, that would be the time to check top set.
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04-29-2014 , 02:22 AM
You got what you wanted, pot after V's turn bet is $135ish and V has about $100 behind. I think you have shove. Your move worked so finish your plan.

As for critique of your play. I don't know. I suffer from doubts about my play in this situation (and lately it seems like the poker gods are trying to send me to school on this topic as most of my monster hands are getting dealt in the blinds, usually with a button straddle). So here goes. I think pre is fine. You are already only 3 handed so no need to overraise. I think $12-$15 is fine.

Flop, I think a little more, like $20 would be better. If they have nothing they are folding to $13. If they have a draw or mid pair or hopefully the case A, they are calling $20.

Turn. This is the tough one. Checking and having it check through is a disaster b/c we let them draw for free and if they miss they are folding river. For that reason I probably donk out a 2/3 PSB and shove all non H rivers.
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04-29-2014 , 04:49 AM
Nice post donkatruck.

OP I actually like your line a lot, but perhaps just cos it worked (v1 either smelt weakness or actually had something to raise with ). Turn check/jam is risky so I would more typically just shove for a little over pot-size.
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04-29-2014 , 07:49 AM
Nh wp. (Not sure what the question is)
I d maybe c bet 20-25 to balance with bricked flops heads up. Observant players will pick up on your small cbet especially once you continue past his raise imo.

Any plans for a turn?
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04-29-2014 , 09:00 AM
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Originally Posted by bga22892
I check V bets 37?? Seemed super Valuish to me so I Jam thinking the board is getting a little too wet for my liking. He had just under 100 behind.
There are very few value hands that are drawing to more than one out against you.

The Villain has roughly 170 dollars left on the flop. Divide it into sevens; it's about 25 (17 divided by 7).

Bet 1/7th on the flop (25), 2/7ths on the turn (50) and 4/7ths on the river (roughly 100). That divides the money up into reasonable sized bets versus the pot.

No need to check-raise, or pray your opponents bet for you.
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04-29-2014 , 11:30 AM
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Originally Posted by bga22892

I check V bets 37?? Seemed super Valuish to me so I Jam thinking the board is getting a little too wet for my liking. He had just under 100 behind.

Thoughts on all streets would be appreciated.
So before I read the comments I have a thought here - maybe a little to riskaaaaay for some folks but... You say you think this is a value bet - WTF is he betting for value on this board? A set or 2 pair - both of which you CRUSH. (2 pair is drawing dead)

A super combo draw is really all this could be that we are sort of afraid of. So in this spot if I have the same read I smooth the turn and let the villian "value bet," the river for the last $100 to try and maximize.

As played turn I think is fine but if you trust your read then I think you can do even better.
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04-29-2014 , 01:09 PM
turn check raises are always the nuts. and we have the nuts.

soooooo, let's find another way to play the pot?
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04-29-2014 , 01:20 PM
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Originally Posted by SillyRabbit
So before I read the comments I have a thought here - maybe a little to riskaaaaay for some folks but... You say you think this is a value bet - WTF is he betting for value on this board? A set or 2 pair - both of which you CRUSH. (2 pair is drawing dead)

A super combo draw is really all this could be that we are sort of afraid of. So in this spot if I have the same read I smooth the turn and let the villian "value bet," the river for the last $100 to try and maximize.

As played turn I think is fine but if you trust your read then I think you can do even better.
If we take this line what is our plan when the 5 or 10 comes on the river? I am not really worried about the backdoor clubs here

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04-29-2014 , 09:17 PM
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turn check raises are always the nuts. and we have the nuts.

soooooo, let's find another way to play the pot?
Against the right fish there's no need to be coy though.

And a lot of fish don't know the concept of raising the flop in pos. to check the turn and see a free river. So I think the more difficult part of this plan was inducing the flop raise not inducing the turn bet.
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04-29-2014 , 10:50 PM
I wouldn't jam the turn because I thought the turn was getting "to wet". It would be more to the effect of letting him get his money in before he misses his draw and folds on the riv. With short stacks I'd assume the moneys going in for you no matter what hits the river. Your bet/ call line on the flop looks good to me. Tough turn decision.
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