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Old 06-18-2016, 10:30 AM   #1
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1/2: Maximizing flopped straight w/ interesting table dynamics

V1 ($750): 40ish Mexican guy with shades and earphones in. 3rd time playing with him and for the most part he's a decent TAGish player who is capable of the occasional bluff. Seen him make a decent laydown or 2, but also seen him spazz out a couple of times, most recently 30 mins before this hand. He raised $12 UTG w/ KK, 3 callers including hero OTB. Flop ($45) is 845r, V1 bets $45, another player raises to $110, Hero shoves $325 w/ 88, V1 snap calls and sucks out with a K on the river.

V2 ($100): 30ish white guy, total rec player uncomfortable handling chips, very passive, not very significant in the hand.

V3: ($150): MAWG, pretty tight and mostly passive, not really important in hand

V4: ($200): MAWG, absolutely horrible player, just pushing buttons as bets don't makes sense as he'll min 3-bet pre w/ ATo, bet bottom pair on the flop (or underpair) as PFR into 4 players on draw heavy board. If he catches anything he seems to like to feel active by betting, usually very small amounts in relation to pot size.

Hero ($300): 30ish white guy, PFR more than most at the table. Just got stacked on hand mentioned w/ V1, which everyone saw and most were looking at me expecting to see a huge reaction to V1 sucking out. For those paying attention probably a true TAG image.

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V1 limps in UTG, folds to V2 who limps, V3 limps, Hero limps w/ Q9 in CO, V4 raises to $12. Everyone calls.

Flop ($47) J108 Checks to hero. Hero??

Pre-flop call was definitely a little loose and I think this was probably a fold pre even considering I thought I could really get paid if I hit.
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Old 06-18-2016, 12:16 PM   #2
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Re: 1/2: Maximizing flopped straight w/ interesting table dynamics

Start building a pot. Bet the most you think 1-2 will call. I would go with a minimum of $25, but 35-40 is better if you can get away with it.
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Old 06-18-2016, 02:37 PM   #3
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Re: 1/2: Maximizing flopped straight w/ interesting table dynamics

Start getting money in the pot. You flopped the nuts but your hand is vulnerable to all kinds of better draws, with 4 opponents you can't mess around with slow playing or trying to draw villain in. I would go $35/$40. That might fold out some one pair without a draw hands but this board is too wet, there are too many draws and pair+draw hands you need to charge.
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Old 06-18-2016, 03:04 PM   #4
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Re: 1/2: Maximizing flopped straight w/ interesting table dynamics

I don't hate the pre-limp and overcall. By the time it gets to you it's 36+.

A little awkward positioning if V4 is OTB, not in the blinds (not clear from post). Ideally you'd love V4 to cbet and then trap callers in between.... but its probably too risky to let this check through. I like about 3/4 psb here. If you look to your left and see a cbet coming - then check. If v4 does cbet and gets even 1 caller - you are sitting perfect for a big bet - perhaps even a shove.
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Old 06-18-2016, 03:15 PM   #5
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Re: 1/2: Maximizing flopped straight w/ interesting table dynamics

stopped reading at true TAG image , over limp the CO w Q9s.
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Old 06-18-2016, 04:48 PM   #6
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Re: 1/2: Maximizing flopped straight w/ interesting table dynamics

Bet 45. Board is wet, you need to charge with the plan to bet at least 100 on the turn, providing it's safe.

Jam all safe turns. Against V2-V4 stack sizes drive this. Against V1, the stack sizes are awkward as the pot would be 150 and you have 240 left, but, if you bet 120+, you are effectively committed to any call, and the guy has already shown he's willing to call off a huge bet if he has something. Your image could also look tilted from the cooler, so that also adds to your favor.

Trickier is if board pairs or flush completes. I'd probably look to check it down in those scenario's and maybe call a small to middling bet. The reality is 1/2 donks tend to get there, and you don't want to suicide your stack.
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Old 06-18-2016, 05:05 PM   #7
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Re: 1/2: Maximizing flopped straight w/ interesting table dynamics

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A little awkward positioning if V4 is OTB, not in the blinds (not clear from post).
Yes I'm sorry, V4 was OTB, blinds folded
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Old 06-18-2016, 05:09 PM   #8
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Re: 1/2: Maximizing flopped straight w/ interesting table dynamics

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stopped reading at true TAG image , over limp the CO w Q9s.
Do true TAGs never overlimp? Or is Q9s a particularly bad hand to overlimp in LP?
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Old 06-19-2016, 05:35 AM   #9
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Do true TAGs never overlimp? Or is Q9s a particularly bad hand to overlimp in LP?
It's 1/2 this play pre is fine and +ev [look at v2 and v4] At 2/5 this is a big no-no unless your table is just as soft somehow

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